Kenco's Threat Guide

[moghedanbanned]

Warlock Leech effects do cause threat on Nost.

Easy test.
Send in voidwalker to get aggro threat.
Leech effect VW target.

All other mobs will switch to Warlock on first heal tick.

[smilkovpetko]

If someone also use Bandages to tank will make Aggro temporary gone from the tank too .

[Undertanker]

Yeah bandaging is bugged and causes temporary threat suspension until the action is canceled or completed.

This is a bug that could be abused a few ways, to get a secondary tank a few hits of damage early to get rage to get secondary tank threat ceiling up quicker before the boss mechanic should cause the swap allowing more dps.

Or if a DPS pulls, they can insta bandage to have the boss return to MT for 6 seconds to allow tank more time to gain aggro.

[smilkovpetko]

most annoying and gamebreaking bug for us prot paladins is that pets and summon npc are not affected by our aggro at all :s..

example at tombs in brd = boss summon voidwalkers = 0 aggro on them , doesnt work bugged .

[smilkovpetko]

Reported bug regarding Aggro issue when you crowd control target

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/t ... oup_id=101

Healers never suppose to build up aggro when target is under crowd control .

Currently in nostalrius they build up high amount of threats.

[Undertanker]

Reported bug regarding Aggro issue when you crowd control target

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/t ... oup_id=101

Healers never suppose to build up aggro when target is under crowd control .

Currently in nostalrius they build up high amount of threats.

Bump for awareness to also comment on the bug tracker to raise awareness and up the priority if possible.

This is annoying for me as a warrior, and a few fights to the small list a tankadin struggles with.

[smilkovpetko]

(4) AOE Threat: Healing, Buffing, Power Gain

Each point of healing causes 0.5 threat, forgetting threat modifiers. Overhealing doesnt cause threat. Most buff spells cast on friendly players generate a small amount of threat.

(D) Paladin

Paladins receive 50% threat from healing compared to other healers. This is designed to stop them tanking instances by healing everything in sight. As a side affect, this gives them a decent advantage over other healers where healing threat is an issue.

This is the reason why Paladins cause too much threat in server , i have already experimenting this with theloras , in fact paladin's heal should cause 0.25 threat , where in Nostalrius they cause 0.5 threat same as any other healer.

[Ziphr]

How accurate are the prot warrior threat values for nostalrius?

[Dr. Doom]

so lock life leeching does not cause aggro. how about vampiric embrace for priests?

I'll keep looking, but for now, the earliest reference about Vampiric Embrace threat is from January 2008, middle of Burning Crusade.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Vampiric_ ... id=1133782

Revision as of 14:29, January 17, 2008

+Healing gear does not increase the percentage healed by this spell.
Healing generated from Vampiric Embrace causes Threat in the same way as other healing spells

However, all patch notes related to Vampiric Embrace I can find are related to the amount healed, the duration of the debuff ( or buff after it was changed to it) or issues unrelated to threat generation. I'd think it was this way by 1.12, which was only 3 or so patches before this piece of information.

Regardless, I will keep looking. Same for Seal of Command which is the other question raised in this thread.

[Dr. Doom]

Answer found.

I worked my way chronologically from Jan 2008 backwards see how much information I could find.
Below all what I found till finding the answer: Vampiric Embrace generated regular healing threat in vanilla, and said threat was reduced by Shadow Affinity. (on top of Silent Resolve, which affects all spells in vanilla, changed to Holy/Disc only in 2.0.10).


Let me copypaste my notepad. Apologies for pondering out loud, this is how I write my own questions for myself.

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http://worldofwarcraft.livejournal.com/ ... t106290461

October 2007, priest community question. The question there is talents reduce the threat generated by Vampiric Embrace. Although that isn't answered, what is confirmed is that by this date, VE did generate threat.
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Regressing:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Vampiric_Embrace

"VE's healing effect does definitely generate threat. It should be consisted with other healing effects and be affected by Shadow Affinity, however I'm not sure of these two points. --bfx 02:40, 15 January 2007 (EST) "

What I gather from the world of warcraft livejournal is that VE's healing in the context they were discussing it (mid-late 2007, mid BC) did standard heal threat. Debate was if Silent Resolve or Shadow Affinity reduced it.

And the january 2007 quote, right around the time of BC launch, at least is definitive in Vampiric Embrace generating threat.

I honestly find no credible grounds for this to be anyhow different in vanilla. Specialy since BC content patch nor launch refer to any threat aspect of the spell.

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In fact, I've found several vanilla sources from 2006, that without addressing the issue mathematically or directly, refer to VE adding threat:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fo ... 7524626918
" Mind Blast only after good aggro is gotten by your tanks and then not all the time. Vampiric Embrace should be used sparrily(SP). Healing and DPS for 350 per sec pulls aggro fast."

"i didn't pull much. (didn't use vampiric embrace except on single target pulls )"

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fo ... 1232612006

"watch out for how you use vampiric embrace. if there is any question of the tank holding aggro, you shouldn't use it. i often found that i would only use it when there was only a single target - like in boss fights. otherwise all the adds come to you"

! Perfectly mirrors how heal threat works.

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Got a definitive answer. Shadow Affinity's page from November 2006:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Af ... did=308241

" - It does affect Vampiric Embrace healing. "

The fact there is threat to be reduced, confirms that the spell does generate threat.



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I'll work tomorrow on SoC if duki or other paladin enthusiasts don't beat me to it first.