Who is the Best Hybrid DPS ?

[Amelissan]

How come warrior isn't considered a hybrid? Hybrid should be any class that can fill more than one role.

Hell, I've even seen people refer to the four pure DPS classes as mage, warlock, rogue and warrior, and not count hunter amongst the pures. It's like people forget what the words mean.

Fury warrior is the best hybrid DPS spec. If for some reason you don't count warriors, it's shadow priest (after debuff limit is increased to 16) and feral druid. Raids shouldn't really bring more than one of each, though.

Since Fury warrior is one of the top dps specs in the game and does not require anymore attention. They are proven and accepted since the day one.

Hunter is more of a utility class considering their dps level in vanilla even hunters accept that. (thats why i am going to roll a hunter on PvE.. no stress..

[flowison]

guys... forum rule #1:
"dont feed the troll!"
thx.

larsen is right when saying fury is a hybrid.
so fury > spriest > feral. imo

[Theloras]

Like severe case of retardation.

From the guy who thought I was posting screenshots from the rookery in UBRS...

[stif]

best in dps or in usefulness?
in dps i would go for elemental shaman
in terms of usefulnees i would chose paladin or feral dudu

but its my opinion and i may be wrong

[Armilus]

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Edit: Back on topic...

Hybrid DPS is never going to compete with pure DPS classes in vanilla. Feral druids can do pretty good with power shifting but it takes quite a bit of skill, any player capable of pulling good DPS as a feral druid would be even better as a rogue.

Best way to look at hybrid DPS is in what raid buffs they bring.

Shadow Priest -> Increases warlock damage by 15%
Enhancement Shaman -> Slightly better windfury for melee
Elemental Shaman -> Nothing
Feral Druid -> 3% crit for 4 melee
Moonkin -> 3% crit for 4 casters
Ret Paladin -> Nothing

As long as you are bringing at least 3 warlocks to your raid, shadow priest increases the overall raid damage the most. With 3 warlocks in raid they are doing 45% of the damage of your average warlock, they only have to do about 50% as much damage as your warlocks and they are just as good as a pure DPS.

Feral druid and Moonkin are great for their party but an extra 12% crit across the entire raid really isn't that much. Feral druid is pretty much the same as an extra mongoose pot for their 4 party members, I don't know the exact math but they would need to do something like 90% of the damage of your rogues and warriors to be worth it. Moonkin is pretty much the same.

Ret paladin doesn't bring any raid buffs and neither does elemental shaman so you are just replacing a pure DPS for lower DPS.

Lots of people say enhancement shaman is good for nightfall but they obviously don't know that weapons can proc off hamstring. Warriors can spam hamstring all day and they get way more hits in with the axe than an enhancement shaman will. Plus you can put nightfall on your non-MT prot warriors so they are useful when they aren't tanking.

I've been in guilds that have tried most hybrid DPS classes, in the end the only one that was worth it was shadow priest.

[Theloras]

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Way to take the female genitalia way out bro!

[Setup]

It actually surprised me to learn, on Warsong Feenix there were actually TWO elemental shaman that did competitive damage in naxxrammas. It's important to note that these shaman had BIS gear from naxx/aq40, and were using insane amounts of consumables, but they keep up with the warlocks!

Moonkin/Feral never have a chance because you can't allow them to waste debuff slots with bleeds/moonfire, and the crit auras don't make up for the difference, but at least they provide innervate/brez utility along with their terrible damage.

Shadow priest damage is almost always terrible, but it's critical you bring at least one to your raid if you have at least 4 warlocks.

Enhance/ret are always garbage, but acceptable garbage if theyre ready to swing Nightfall for the rest of their pve lives.

[Theloras]

It actually surprised me to learn, on Warsong Feenix there were actually TWO elemental shaman that did competitive damage in naxxrammas. It's important to note that these shaman had BIS gear from naxx/aq40, and were using insane amounts of consumables, but they keep up with the warlocks!

Moonkin/Feral never have a chance because you can't allow them to waste debuff slots with bleeds/moonfire, and the crit auras don't make up for the difference, but at least they provide innervate/brez utility along with their terrible damage.

Shadow priest damage is almost always terrible, but it's critical you bring at least one to your raid if you have at least 4 warlocks.

Enhance/ret are always garbage, but acceptable garbage if theyre ready to swing Nightfall for the rest of their pve lives.

Who were the Shaman?

[Rafale]

Thanks Armilus for ur answer.

[Theloras]

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Edit: Back on topic...

Hybrid DPS is never going to compete with pure DPS classes in vanilla. Feral druids can do pretty good with power shifting but it takes quite a bit of skill, any player capable of pulling good DPS as a feral druid would be even better as a rogue.

Best way to look at hybrid DPS is in what raid buffs they bring.

Shadow Priest -> Increases warlock damage by 15%
Enhancement Shaman -> Slightly better windfury for melee
Elemental Shaman -> Nothing
Feral Druid -> 3% crit for 4 melee
Moonkin -> 3% crit for 4 casters
Ret Paladin -> Nothing

As long as you are bringing at least 3 warlocks to your raid, shadow priest increases the overall raid damage the most. With 3 warlocks in raid they are doing 45% of the damage of your average warlock, they only have to do about 50% as much damage as your warlocks and they are just as good as a pure DPS.

Feral druid and Moonkin are great for their party but an extra 12% crit across the entire raid really isn't that much. Feral druid is pretty much the same as an extra mongoose pot for their 4 party members, I don't know the exact math but they would need to do something like 90% of the damage of your rogues and warriors to be worth it. Moonkin is pretty much the same.

Ret paladin doesn't bring any raid buffs and neither does elemental shaman so you are just replacing a pure DPS for lower DPS.

Lots of people say enhancement shaman is good for nightfall but they obviously don't know that weapons can proc off hamstring. Warriors can spam hamstring all day and they get way more hits in with the axe than an enhancement shaman will. Plus you can put nightfall on your non-MT prot warriors so they are useful when they aren't tanking.

I've been in guilds that have tried most hybrid DPS classes, in the end the only one that was worth it was shadow priest.

Hamstring spam proc for Nightfall like Hunters on Peenix spamming rank 1 Wing Clip was abuse of game mechanics?

You do realize that Paladins have Seal of the Crusader right?

40% melee haste means we have more uptime for Nightfall proc and don't abuse game mechanics to do it.

- edit - Turns out Armilus was in Judgement on Emerald Dream Peenix where they abused Oil of Immolation bug mechanic spell dmg scaling ad nauseum for their "lol speed runs"

And were the bunch that posted RL info, pictures, videos on my wife and I.

Go figure.