What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[Armilus]

It's all there in the spreadsheet, man this shit was even discussed in TP warrior chat you fell asleep in class bro? :O

I was never in TP

I guess 700 TPS is accurate when you account for salv, that allows for a max DPS of 1375 for melee and 1300 for ranged.

BTW, I'm not really paying attention to this thread, just dropping in from time to time.

FYI, a feral druid is easily over 800 TPS if someone is keeping 5/5 sunder up. ~650 TPS with only faerie fire and curse of recklessness. Oh and that's in pre-raid gear.


Smilkovpetko: Revenge requires a weapon and therefor it can proc TF. Revenge is also up 100% because the warrior is using shield block. Every attack by the boss is a block, parry or dodge when shield block is up. It is activated again by the time it's cooldown is over.

Holy Shield is a different matter, it only increases your block chance by 30%. Assuming that you have holy shield up 100%, you are going to block.. what 40% of the time? With that modification you come out to around 750 TPS best case, so very close to a warrior.

[Theloras]

While I'm going to leave the Warrior vs Paladin single target raid boss threat comparison to Killerduki and Sidesprang, I figure that I would add a few screenshot from my AoE tanking session earlier today in BWL.

I just joined Entitled last week and am currently in their Euro raid group (I can't raid NA evening times otherwise my wife will cut my calls off) and we cleared up to and including Firemaw (I missed this fight as I had to leave after the gauntlet) this morning on our first time venturing into BWL as a raid group. We had 3 wipes on Razorgore at the start but we got er done on the 4th attempt and then quickly knocked down Vaelstraz.

While I had been healing up to this point (after helping AoE tank on the first Razorgore attempt), I switched to full AoE Tank mode for the gauntlet and Broodlord fight which you can see from the screenshots below (had 1 wipe on Broodlord at 10%):

http://imageshack.com/a/img911/2875/2FyXfR.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img905/673/iDqcrk.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img911/6606/kASvER.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img903/968/6YoYWV.jpg

Obviously, my DPS and threat would have been much higher if I had Force Reactive Disk, but even without it we can still AoE tank like a mofo:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=16726

[Armilus]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

[Theloras]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

Sidesprang had included his 55k threat from the adds in phase 1 in his calculations.

[Armilus]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

Sidesprang had included his 55k threat from the adds in phase 1 in his calculations.

Then his calculations are also questionable, BUT warriors only really do single target threat so his value is a lot closer to valid than with a paladin. Warriors tank multiple targets by applying single target threat to each one.

How do prot paladins get around requiring 131 mana per second to maintain their threat on single targets? A 3 minute fight requires 23580 mana, that doesn't seem possible to me.

[smilkovpetko]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

See - the Screenshot match the Log . (where it show the Threats) . Same as he didn't reset his KTM on his Video too .

It's not like i would always spam consecration to multiple targets where i would end up stupid there since they mana burn.

Since you talk about AoE - The Warrior using Thunderfury yo!. He is also AoE.

[smilkovpetko]

by Armilus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:55 pm
How do prot paladins get around requiring 131 mana per second to maintain their threat on single targets? A 3 minute fight requires 23580 mana,

And how did you got that i would use 23580 Mana?!. Where did you get this from?!.

[Armilus]

by Armilus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:55 pm
How do prot paladins get around requiring 131 mana per second to maintain their threat on single targets? A 3 minute fight requires 23580 mana,

And how did you got that i would use 23580 Mana?!. Where did you get this from?!.

Mana costs of all the abilities you listed (and their cooldowns) in your calculation that shows 900+ TPS for paladins (which is actually ~750 because you didn't calculate holy shield properly)

Edit: BTW, I did include the talents that reduce the mana cost on seals and judgement.

[smilkovpetko]

by Armilus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:55 pm
How do prot paladins get around requiring 131 mana per second to maintain their threat on single targets? A 3 minute fight requires 23580 mana,

And how did you got that i would use 23580 Mana?!. Where did you get this from?!.

Mana costs of all the abilities you listed (and their cooldowns) in your calculation that shows 900+ TPS for paladins (which is actually ~750 because you didn't calculate holy shield properly)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20825&start=350#p160608

It sound like you completely ignored this .

[Theloras]

by Armilus » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:55 pm
How do prot paladins get around requiring 131 mana per second to maintain their threat on single targets? A 3 minute fight requires 23580 mana,

And how did you got that i would use 23580 Mana?!. Where did you get this from?!.

Mana costs of all the abilities you listed (and their cooldowns) in your calculation that shows 900+ TPS for paladins (which is actually ~750 because you didn't calculate holy shield properly)

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20825&start=350#p160608

It sound like you completely ignored this .

He said that he hadn't followed the entire thread Duki - just jumped in from time to time.