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Can anyone give a single counter-example to this statement?

Also, if there is evidence for Lifestealing, Fiery Weapon or Fiery Blaze scaling, feel free to post that too.

And no, posts after 2.0 or regarding the TBC beta doesn't count. Neither does forum posts saying, "I think it does", "it should", "I remember hearing" or even "I remember it did", for reasons that should be beyond obvious. Good contemporary evidence is what we need.

(in 1.6.1 Oil of Immolation and in 1.9 The Force Reactive Disk and Cloak of Fire, the only items to scale with spell power, were fixed, I'll accept pre-1.6.1/1.9 statements/videos on any other item. The goal here is to see if there actually is any merit to certain players claims.)

For good measure, here is a quote from a Blizzard CM explaining the intent that items don't scale with spell power, only normal player spells. http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/5161483.htm

Tseric wrote:Wands are treated as an item, not a spell. +spell gear will affect any spells cast using mana, that originate from the caster, themselves. Wands can do extra damage if there is a resistance debuff on the creature (such as a fire resist debuff and a fire damage wand), but do not count as spells for the purposes you are describing.

Confirmed counterexamples:

Weapon Procs confirmed to scale with +damage: e.g Ancient Hakkari Manslayer, Zulian Slicer. Scaling rates seem to vary.
Sources:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=19852/ancie ... r#comments
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/t ... -database/
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21679#wh-comments

Confirmed trinket: Shard of the Fallen Star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvWFOvGfbH8

I have already warned you that i will REKT you with Pure Evidence next time .

Patch 1.9 Removed only 2 Items from Scale by Spell Damage . BUT!
Didn't remove the rest.

The website you are even posting as Link is not any Official or Recognized website .

Let me enlighten you what Offficial Websites and Blizzard Telling toward Preachers like you :

By Official Website :
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Darkmoon_Card:_Maelstrom

It is known to crit and may be affected by +spell damage (hits over 300 have occurred on non-vulnerable targets), and can be resisted normally as nature damage, it can also hit for 1000-1400 when the target is vulnerable to nature, in BWL for example.

® By Blizzard as PURE evidence!



https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=56C4DD18

That being said , i do remember that a couple of these scaled with spell damage waay back in the day, but the proc coefficient and such is not something we'd be able to get ahold of at this point.



Another thing is because you mix Frogs with Oranges :

Wands are not "proc damage" neither spell damage or magic damage , They are Elemental Damage and does not scale with Spell Damage or Spell Crit neither melee Crit .

The more you post , the more you will get rekt by Evidences .

"on 2006/09/14 (Patch 1.12.0)
The chance on hit for this axe IS affected by dmg/healing, in turn actually giving you a 200% bonus from it, as the dmg portion is directly affected as well as the heal.
(i.e. if you have 400dmg/heal this axe will proc for 448-454dmg, and heal you for that much as well.)

Other items which have a similar proc to them are also affected in this manner."

Source: http://www.wowhead.com/item=19852/ancie ... r#comments

Also read this: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/t ... -database/

Stalk wrote:"on 2006/09/14 (Patch 1.12.0)
The chance on hit for this axe IS affected by dmg/healing, in turn actually giving you a 200% bonus from it, as the dmg portion is directly affected as well as the heal.
(i.e. if you have 400dmg/heal this axe will proc for 448-454dmg, and heal you for that much as well.)

Other items which have a similar proc to them are also affected in this manner."

Source: http://www.wowhead.com/item=19852/ancie ... r#comments

Also read this: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/t ... -database/

This ^ another REKT . Good job .

PriestInOurTime wrote:Can anyone give a single counter-example to this statement?

And no, posts after 2.0 or regarding the TBC beta doesn't count. Neither does forum posts saying, "I think it does", for reasons that should be beyond obvious.

(in 1.6.1 Oil of Immolation and in 1.9 The Force Reactive Disk and Cloak of Fire, the only items to scale with spell power, were fixed, I'll accept pre-1.6.1/1.9 statements/videos on any other item. The goal here is to see if there actually is any merit to certain players claims.)

For good measure, here is a quote from a Blizzard CM explaining the intent that items don't scale with spell power, only normal player spells. http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/5161483.htm

Tseric wrote:Wands are treated as an item, not a spell. +spell gear will affect any spells cast using mana, that originate from the caster, themselves. Wands can do extra damage if there is a resistance debuff on the creature (such as a fire resist debuff and a fire damage wand), but do not count as spells for the purposes you are describing.

You really need to stop posting PriestInOurTime - you are making yourself look completely retarded with every word you type...

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=22998&start=100#p179690

Tseric said:
Wands are treated as an item, not a spell. +spell gear will affect any spells cast using mana, that originate from the caster, themselves. Wands can do extra damage if there is a resistance debuff on the creature (such as a fire resist debuff and a fire damage wand), but do not count as spells for the purposes you are describing.
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/t ... -crit-hit/

PriestInOurTime, please reread carefully what Tseric said and then feel free to look up the countless number of items/weapon procs that scaled with spell damage in Vanilla - such as the following off the top of my head:

Shard of the Fallen Star
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Use: Calls down a meteor, burning all enemies within the area for 400 to 443 total Fire damage. (cooldown 3 min)
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21891#wh-comments

Kalimdor's Revenge
Binds when picked up
Two-hand Sword
209 - 315 Damage Speed 3.20
(81.9 damage per second)
+24 Strength
+18 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 60
Chance on hit: Instantly lightning shocks the target for 239 to 278 Nature damage.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21679#wh-comments

Ancient Hakkari Manslayer
Binds when picked up
One-hand Axe
69 - 130 Damage Speed 2.00
(49.8 damage per second)
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 60
Chance on hit: Steals 48 to 55 life from target enemy.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19852#wh-comments

Demon Forged Breastplate
Binds when equipped
Chest Plate
597 Armor
+12 Stamina
Durability 135 / 135
Requires Level 52
Equip: When struck has a 3% chance of stealing 0 life from the attacker over 4 sec.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12628#wh-comments

Skullflame Shield
Binds when equipped
Off Hand Shield
2256 Armor
40 Block
+10 Fire Resistance
+10 Shadow Resistance
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 54
Equip: When struck in combat has a 3% chance of stealing 35 life from target enemy.
Equip: When struck in combat has a 1% chance of dealing 75 to 126 Fire damage to all targets around you.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=1168#wh-comments

Neretzek, The Blood Drinker
Binds when picked up
Two-hand Axe
202 - 303 Damage Speed 3.70
(68.2 damage per second)
+21 Strength
+16 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 60
Chance on hit: Steals 141 to 164 life from target enemy.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21856#wh-comments

Arcane Bomb
Requires Engineering (300)
Use: Drains 675 to 1126 mana from those in the blast radius and does 50% of the mana drained in damage to the target. Also Silences targets in the blast for 5 sec. (cooldown 1 min)
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16040#wh-comments

Stratholme Holy Water
Binds when picked up
Use: Inflicts between 438 and 562 damage to Undead in a 10 yard radius. (cooldown 1 min)
"Just 1 calorie."
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=13180

"Used to scale with spell damage, making them extremely useful even in later content, but was finally nerfed in 2.4 to no longer do so."
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Stratholme_Holy_Water

Stalk wrote:"on 2006/09/14 (Patch 1.12.0)
The chance on hit for this axe IS affected by dmg/healing, in turn actually giving you a 200% bonus from it, as the dmg portion is directly affected as well as the heal.
(i.e. if you have 400dmg/heal this axe will proc for 448-454dmg, and heal you for that much as well.)

Other items which have a similar proc to them are also affected in this manner."

Source: http://www.wowhead.com/item=19852/ancie ... r#comments

Also read this: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/t ... -database/

Indeed. This is excellent evidence.

smilkovpetko wrote:I have already warned you that i will REKT you with Pure Evidence next time .

Patch 1.9 Removed only 2 Items from Scale by Spell Damage . BUT!
Didn't remove the rest.

The website you are even posting as Link is not any Official or Recognized website .

Let me enlighten you what Offficial Websites and Blizzard Telling toward Preachers like you :

By Official Website :
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Darkmoon_Card:_Maelstrom

It is known to crit and may be affected by +spell damage (hits over 300 have occurred on non-vulnerable targets), and can be resisted normally as nature damage, it can also hit for 1000-1400 when the target is vulnerable to nature, in BWL for example.

® By Blizzard as PURE evidence!



https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=56C4DD18

That being said , i do remember that a couple of these scaled with spell damage waay back in the day, but the proc coefficient and such is not something we'd be able to get ahold of at this point.



Another thing is because you mix Frogs with Oranges :

Wands are not "proc damage" neither spell damage or magic damage , They are Elemental Damage and does not scale with Spell Damage or Spell Crit neither melee Crit .

Rejected. Speculation and hearsay. Way better evidence needed.

Theloras wrote:

PriestInOurTime wrote:Shard of the Fallen Star
Binds when picked up
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Use: Calls down a meteor, burning all enemies within the area for 400 to 443 total Fire damage. (cooldown 3 min)
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21891#wh-comments

Confirmed. Good evidence.

Theloras wrote:Demon Forged Breastplate
Binds when equipped
Chest Plate
597 Armor
+12 Stamina
Durability 135 / 135
Requires Level 52
Equip: When struck has a 3% chance of stealing 0 life from the attacker over 4 sec.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12628#wh-comments

Skullflame Shield
Binds when equipped
Off Hand Shield
2256 Armor
40 Block
+10 Fire Resistance
+10 Shadow Resistance
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 54
Equip: When struck in combat has a 3% chance of stealing 35 life from target enemy.
Equip: When struck in combat has a 1% chance of dealing 75 to 126 Fire damage to all targets around you.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=1168#wh-comments

Arcane Bomb
Requires Engineering (300)
Use: Drains 675 to 1126 mana from those in the blast radius and does 50% of the mana drained in damage to the target. Also Silences targets in the blast for 5 sec. (cooldown 1 min)
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16040#wh-comments

Stratholme Holy Water
Binds when picked up
Use: Inflicts between 438 and 562 damage to Undead in a 10 yard radius. (cooldown 1 min)
"Just 1 calorie."
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=13180

Rejected for now. Post TBC evidence.