I never played Vanilla... what should I know?

[schaka]

I wasn't making a strawman argument when I described your post exactly. You seem to think that World of Warcraft as a game has only one purpose and goal - that of hardcore raiding. That's narrow minded and factually wrong. Now you're being a passive-aggressive cunt to cover it up. Good job dude.

You argued against a point that I never made (that the game is all about hardcore raiding and ONLY that). I described 4 different aspects of the game and how they're being played. I said that no guild will take a hybrid class for tanking unless they're very dedicated. Sure, if you never wanna progress past 5mans and UBRS, that works, but that's very limited content.
It's funny that you seem to know "what I think" too. Especially considering I've always been primarily into PvP and only care about raids as a means to an end for decent gear while ranking up.

That being said, I straight up called you on your bullshit. I think you're a little confused as to what the passive part in passive aggressive means. You attacked me for no reason, other than your lack of reading comprehension, and now refuse to own up to your mistake.

[Garfunkel]

What are you smoking? This is what you posted:

If your class can heal, it will have to heal. There is no such thing as tanks outside of warriors, unless you are extremely dedicated and find a guild willing to let you tank. There is no such thing as DPS as a hybrid class. This doesn't apply to PvP.

You didn't say anything about your comment being only applicable to HC raiding guilds. You literally wrote that only warriors can tank and hybrids cannot do damage and healing classes do nothing but heal. Which isn't correct for the 1-60 journey, isn't correct for end game 5/10/20-mans and not even 100% correct for 40-man raiding. The only context where that paragraph is applicable at all is HC raiding, which is why I stated that your viewpoint is narrow-minded.

Nice strawman though, really appreciate your interpretion skills

That's pretty passive-aggressive in my book but maybe it's "straight up calling ... bullshit" in yours.

[Chevejo]

Just an example. There are Moonkin out there dealin more dps than mages and warlocks in AQ40 and BWL. Logs are posted somewhere on this forum. That makes your argument healing classes have to heal totally invalid.

[schaka]

Just an example. There are Moonkin out there dealin more dps than mages and warlocks in AQ40 and BWL. Logs are posted somewhere on this forum. That makes your argument healing classes have to heal totally invalid.

For the 2 minutes that he isn't oom? I'd be willing to take one if he was more dedicated than the locks I could use in his place. Only for the 3% crit and if he kept pots on CD though.

What are you smoking? This is what you posted:

If your class can heal, it will have to heal. There is no such thing as tanks outside of warriors, unless you are extremely dedicated and find a guild willing to let you tank. There is no such thing as DPS as a hybrid class. This doesn't apply to PvP.

You didn't say anything about your comment being only applicable to HC raiding guilds. You literally wrote that only warriors can tank and hybrids cannot do damage and healing classes do nothing but heal. Which isn't correct for the 1-60 journey, isn't correct for end game 5/10/20-mans and not every 100% correct for 40-man raiding. The only context where that paragraph is applicable at all is HC raiding, which is why I stated that your viewpoint is narrow-minded.

unless you are extremely dedicated and find a guild willing to let you tank
This doesn't apply to PvP.

Hope bolding it helps! I don't know what your understanding of "HC" raiding is. You will not progress MC with a druid tank (no fire res gear for rag) that doesn't even have enough HP to survive crushing blows (because higher content gear is missing). That's gonna be an issue on trash already. MC is already the absolute entry level raid. No tactics and no gear check required, just finding enough people and coordinating them to the point where they know WHO is supposed to press their 2 buttons.
There is currently no ZG and God knows how long it'll be before it comes out. Even so, you face the same issue of missing crush immunity on druids/missing taunt on paladins. Sure, I'd take them to ZG/AQ20 eventually, but not if content hasn't been cleared before.

Any guild that doesn't want to risk falling apart due to no progression will not take these risks. Keeping that many people around and happy enough to not leave isn't easy (even on a server with so many players to pick on). I've been there often enough trying to keep guilds together.

If by hardcore raiding, you mean any raiding guild at all, sure I agree with you. Or if you're talking about pug raids, but I have yet to see these outside of Feenix (and their impressive scripts ) after half the raid was massively overgeared.

[Chevejo]

Indeed Moonkin need to farm a bunch of Dark Runes for raiding

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 81&Fight=0

but when they got it can look like Mixxis Performance

[Dawntix]

PVE is fine on this server , actually is close to perfect. BUT pvp is scum at lvl 60. As a random person you will face 98% of your games against premade rank 13-14 players farming and dodging other premades.
AV is not even out atm and the people is allready talking about what addon they are going to use to 40 man premade AV .

So if you want to come and enjoy some awesome PVE, its great.

[Tatertotking]

Classes are much more individualized for better or worse. Some classes like paladins and priests are locked into one role, as their other specs aren't great for their respective roles. Play whichever class you want, but keep in mind that you can't play the same way you did in Cata, and certain things are expected from certain classes.

[Heaterz]

best thing you can do is literally be that giant noob. get in the game and wander around and take everything in. die a lot. have fun playing a real mmo.

[Zizmuffin]

The wow you are familiar with is a different game from vanilla. From wrath on up, it was so watered down to accommodate the most casual players.

You will have to level weapon skills, defense, poisons, lockpickibg and all that other fun stuff. The leveling is infinitely slower and much more difficult without the aid of quest helpers and heirlooms.

The pve content requires intelligence and coordination from 40 players, not just 10 people spinning around in their chairs flinging drool and pressing buttons. Because of the greater difficulty, it's more satisfying.

There is no dungeon finder - you have to drag yourself out to the dungeon(unless this server has some built in measure).

While it may sound intimidating, I think most people feel vanilla was the best era of wow. Either that or TBC. It kept going downhill after that.

These are all the things I remember from blizzards version of vanilla. I haven't spent much time diving into this server yet, so some of the things I have mentioned may not be completely applicable to this installment.

[Bioness]

The post above me has a severely warped view of what Vanilla was like. There is a difference between hard and time consuming. Furthermore it is clear he knows little to nothing about this server so take it all with a grain of salt.

Again things are not hard, you just have to have patience as everything takes more time than it did in other expansions.