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Anyone have any data on this? I assume its between Lifestealing/15 Agi and maybe +5 weapon damage (1.3)

I believe Lifesteal is the highest TPS on any weapon. But if you are alliance a lot of people go with +15 agility since you have Blessing of Salvation. Lifesteal is more important for horde but still very strong on alliance.

On fights like Vael you want all of the TPS you can get.

dooya wrote:Anyone have any data on this? I assume its between Lifestealing/15 Agi and maybe +5 weapon damage (1.3)

Lifestealing:
- 30%-ish procrate. Not using PPM like Crusader meaning procrate remains the same regardless of weapon speed.
- Effect: 30 dmg and 30 healing = 45 threat (healing threat is modified by 0.5).
- Math on 1.3 speed weapon: ((45x0.3)/1.3) = 10,38461538461538 TPS.
- total TPS value: 10,38461538461538
EDIT: Does not account for overhealing which does not provide any threat.

Crusader:
- Procrate is 1PPM (approximately) Meaning it will be alot less effective on a fast weapon due to its lower proc-chance the faster the weapon you use.
- Effect 100str for 15 seconds and one 100heal once every 1 minute. (healing threat is modified by 0.5).
- Math on str: ((15/60)x100) = average of 25str constantly = 50ap. 50/14=3,571428571428571 DPS (and TPS).
- Math on heal: ((100/60)x0.5) = 0,8333333333333333 TPS.
- total TPS value: 4,404761904728571
EDIT: Does not account for overhealing which does not provide any threat.

5 weapon dmg:
- Add 5 damage to bottom and top damage of the current weapon.
- Math (Alcors used as example): (((41+5 + 77+5)/2)/1.3) = 49.2307692308 DPS (and TPS). 49,2307692308 - 45.4 = 3,8307692308
- total TPS value: 3,8307692308

15agi:
- No data here. I havent bothered calculating DPS/TPS yield from the 0.75% crit it adds. What ever the case, It would probably be the preferable enchant for Alliance due to having paladinbuffs and TPS not being as important.

EDIT: If anyone see any errors, please do say so. I would also like to point out that Lifestealing is a shadow damage attack and can be partially resisted by some bosses (Probably a few in BWL).

St0rfan wrote:

dooya wrote:Anyone have any data on this? I assume its between Lifestealing/15 Agi and maybe +5 weapon damage (1.3)

Lifestealing:
- 30%-ish procrate. Not working on PPM like Crusader meaning procrate remains the same regardless of weapon speed.
- Effect: 30 dmg and 30 healing = 45 threat (healing threat is modified by 0.5).
- Math on 1.3 speed weapon: ((45x0.3)/1.3) = 10,38461538461538 TPS.
- total TPS value: 10,38461538461538

Overhealing generally doesnt generate any threat though. Has anyone actually tested if that applies to the healing part of Lifestealing as well?

On a lot of boss fights tanks are at 100 % health for a good portion of the fight because of slow boss swing timers and healers being able to spam heals (most boss fights in BWL/MC are rather short).

That's why the generated threat should be lower I think, unless the overhealing part does generate threat (which is unlikely imo, haven't tested it yet though).

Secarus wrote:

St0rfan wrote:

dooya wrote:Anyone have any data on this? I assume its between Lifestealing/15 Agi and maybe +5 weapon damage (1.3)

Lifestealing:
- 30%-ish procrate. Not working on PPM like Crusader meaning procrate remains the same regardless of weapon speed.
- Effect: 30 dmg and 30 healing = 45 threat (healing threat is modified by 0.5).
- Math on 1.3 speed weapon: ((45x0.3)/1.3) = 10,38461538461538 TPS.
- total TPS value: 10,38461538461538

Overhealing generally doesnt generate any threat though. Has anyone actually tested if that applies to the healing part of Lifestealing as well?

On a lot of boss fights tanks are at 100 % health for a good portion of the fight because of slow boss swing timers and healers being able to spam heals (most boss fights in BWL/MC are rather short).

That's why the generated threat should be lower I think, unless the overhealing part does generate threat (which is unlikely imo, haven't tested it yet though).

Fair point. I did not take overhealing into account. I do believe Armilus tested and concluded that overhealing indeed, did not cause threat (as it shouldnt). I wonder if any addon can register overhealing, like combatstats, swstats or anything of the like? It would be interesting to run Lifestealing thru it for a complete 40man raid and see how much of its healing is only wasted on overhealing.

In that case it depends a lot on your raid, how good the healers, how short the fights are etc.

But yea, it should be better for threat than crusader at least for sure.

Secarus wrote:In that case it depends a lot on your raid, how good the healers, how short the fights are etc.

But yea, it should be better for threat than crusader at least for sure.

Indeed. Even if we remove the healing threat alltogether we still get a TPS value of 6,923076923076923 (not counting possible resists one some bosses).

Does anybody know thestatic proc rate of fiery weapon is? Now that MC is an afterthought with classes only needing 1-2 items out of it, ZG oit and when AQ releases, it is a very viable option. If I remember correctly it did 45 damage.

This would be same threat per proc as Lifestealing, without the overheal threat reduction in play.

Raid buffed with around 16-17% crit, the proc of both of these do a bit more than the base formula examples.

In 2005 know fiery had the highest proc chance of any enchant, though I know all servets are different.

Undertanker wrote:Does anybody know thestatic proc rate of fiery weapon is? Now that MC is an afterthought with classes only needing 1-2 items out of it, ZG oit and when AQ releases, it is a very viable option. If I remember correctly it did 45 damage.

This would be same threat per proc as Lifestealing, without the overheal threat reduction in play.

Raid buffed with around 16-17% crit, the proc of both of these do a bit more than the base formula examples.

In 2005 know fiery had the highest proc chance of any enchant, though I know all servets are different.

I believe the procrate is exactly the same as Lifesteal. I tested it a while back and seem to recall around 30% proc-rate. Does damage resisted really generate threat though? I thought it was only the actual damage that generated threat.

Only actual damage done, point for point. Perhaps my wording was wrong.

Fiery would have been a bad choice if we only had MC Ony and BWL.

However starting with ZQ and moving forward, fiery is now viable, and pairs well with the pre-existing proc on alcors already.