Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by smilkovpetko » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:04 am

DrearyYew wrote:All I see is you proclaiming that because the AP coefficient wasn't mentioned by players in Vanilla, then it didn't exist, which is just hilariously flawed logic, and is exactly why your ticket on the bugtracker was flagged as invalid. You have not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Consecrate didn't scale with AP in Retail Vanilla.

You also mention 2.0.1 patch notes, which are for TBC, which doesn't matter since we're playing Vanilla. You mention that Blizzard never documented a change to Consecration going from Vanilla into TBC, and Consecrate didn't scale with AP in TBC, which is true. However, just because Blizzard didn't document doesn't mean there wasn't a change to how things work. This is exactly what happened. Consecrate scaled with AP in Vanilla, and didn't in TBC, but for whatever reason, the change was undocumented by Blizzard.


The most funny part is how you dodge/avoid videos posted there :

Retri Paladin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlA0aolJCYs

Prot Paladin 8 years ago :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OwHLAuQzc


Also :

There is nothing undocumented ... According to your "undocumented" is assumptions , which you got 0 evidence and therefore you claim to be like that .

Wowwiki consecration note "the fake one" for 2.0.1 was created in late 2010 .

In before 2010 this note didn't exist anywhere on wowwiki , neither in any official/unofficial blizzard website.

Wowpedia which is based to real notes :

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Consecration

Doesn't have this fake note. Now, see wowwiki revisions edited and the date posted :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrat ... id=2378962

Revision as of 22:56, September 9, 2010 by Ryoketsu

Until 9th september 2010 this Patch note about 2.0.1 didn't exist anywhere in wowwiki.

It was add late at 2010 by some mistake without any explanation , neither the 2.0.1 is writing this .

Neither in their Patch notes exist such thing :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.0.1
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by DrearyYew » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:18 am

There's just no way you aren't trolling lmfao

JCarrill0 wrote:Source/Proof?


Like I said, I'm not the one trying to get shit changed. If you want something changed, the burden of proof is on you.
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by smilkovpetko » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:08 am

DrearyYew wrote:There's just no way you aren't trolling lmfao

JCarrill0 wrote:Source/Proof?


Like I said, I'm not the one trying to get shit changed. If you want something changed, the burden of proof is on you.


so you decide to ignore the proof given above?
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by DrearyYew » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:14 am

Your "proof" isn't proof. It doesn't definitively state that Consecrate didn't scale with AP in patch 1.12.1
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by smilkovpetko » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:16 am

DrearyYew wrote:Your "proof" isn't proof. It doesn't definitively state that Consecrate didn't scale with AP in patch 1.12.1


Because it never exist , neither in any log , neither anywhere until wrath of the lich king.

Vanilla is same as TBC, doesn't work with AP.

patch 3.0.2 = now scale with AP , Official and this is WoTLK

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Consecration

WotLK Patch 3.0.2 (2008-10-14): Now scales with attack power and spell power.

This is also on Official Blizzard Patchnotes too .

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/3-0-2

Consecration now scales with attack power and spell power.

Which mean it never scaled before WoTLK with Attack Power.

Unlike proven Wotlk Patch note , for 2.0.1 there is nowhere evidence and for Vanilla it never been mention .

The only false note (which is never written on any official website or vanilla websites) was added in edited Wowwiki at 9th December 2010 , until that date it didn't exist in anywhere , neither in official and unofficial websites , neither mention anywhere .
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by DrearyYew » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:30 am

Thank you for finally admitting that proof of your claim doesn't exist, now we can all move on with our lives
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by smilkovpetko » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:36 am

DrearyYew wrote:Thank you for finally admitting that proof of your claim doesn't exist, now we can all move on with our lives


That was evidence which shows that never work with Attack Power until patch 3.0.2 Wrath of the Lich King.

Troll or kid , i honestly can't see your point now but you are either one of these.


Your claim is that should work with Attack Power? Now give us Evidence DrearyYew .
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by apocalypsa » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:43 pm

Could you guys chill down a little?

From what I see all the (mostly indirect) proof posted above has been submitted to the Nost devs so it's up to them. Until anyone finds any DIRECT proof that it either did or did not scale with AP, that's the end of it. Furthermore, Dreary, while you could argue that others want to make a change and the burden of proof is on them, arguing burden of proof is right up there with arguing definitions as far as low forms of discussion go.
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by smilkovpetko » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:59 pm

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=418
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Second, if you look at the ticket history you will see that I initially confirmed the ticket. I asked daemon to take a second look at this ticket as he is the one who changed it to invalid.


Even isvv member did gave the confirmation , but for some reason daemon have decide to set invalid without any evidence or real sources posted .

As Apocalypsa said , there are burden of direct or indirect proofs , but they are still proofs . Its up to Nostalrius.
Unlike that , there is 0 evidence that Attack Power should scale with Consecration because it never did.
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Re: Holy paladin tanking? Better than prot paladin?

by JCarrill0 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:42 pm

DrearyYew wrote:There's just no way you aren't trolling lmfao

JCarrill0 wrote:Source/Proof?


Like I said, I'm not the one trying to get shit changed. If you want something changed, the burden of proof is on you.

Dreary, wait for a second, when Did I say it needs to be changed? you been getting into arguments for so long with duki, that I think your getting confused.
I never was trying to get it changed dude.

apocalypsa wrote:Could you guys chill down a little?

From what I see all the (mostly indirect) proof posted above has been submitted to the Nost devs so it's up to them. Until anyone finds any DIRECT proof that it either did or did not scale with AP, that's the end of it. Furthermore, Dreary, while you could argue that others want to make a change and the burden of proof is on them, arguing burden of proof is right up there with arguing definitions as far as low forms of discussion go.

This was my exact point like 3 of my own posts ago, somehow I got dragged into the argument between Duki/Dreary. lol I'm like wtf, isn't wow about having fun, not proving each other wrong for ego boosting.
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