How much honor is it taking to keep your rank?

[MattThePhat]

Hey, I'm starting to PvP and as I move up in ranks I'm wondering how much honor it's going to take to keep progressing and/or keep your rank. Basically the info I'm looking for is your rank, if you moved up/down/stayed and how much honor you got that week. Looking for insight on how much time I'll be spending in the coming weeks.

[redleader]

it depends on what holiday it is
at 60, 160 k is enough to gain about 1/2 % rank on free weekend
on holiday weekends it could be anything from 100k to 200 k depending on how much time the no lifer premades spend in BGs
if in doubt just keep pvping and don't sleep and remember to save your marks for a free weekend.

[Dreez]

it's way more difficult:
you need to take Rating Points (RP) into consideration, you gain a new rank each 5000 RP, decay is 20% of your total RP each week
-->
rank 1 = 25 HKs
rank 2 = 2k RP and 400 decay
rank 3 = 5k RP and 1k decay
rank 4 = 10k RP and 2k decay
...
rank 7 = 25k RP and 5k decay
rank 10 = 40k RP and 8k decay
rank 12 = 50k RP and 10k decay

so to hold your rank you have to get more RP than your current decay

How much honor = how many RP?
Depends on how much honor the no-lifers farm, how many players participated in PvP (>15HKs this week) and on your standing (how many players farmed more honor than you)

at rank 10 you needed around 170k honor to keep your rank last week (8k RP)
100k honor = 7k RP
160k honor = 8k RP
280k honor = 10k RP

[chapi]

it's way more difficult:
you need to take Rating Points (RP) into consideration, you gain a new rank each 5000 RP, decay is 20% of your total RP each week
-->
rank 1 = 25 HKs
rank 2 = 2k RP and 400 decay
rank 3 = 5k RP and 1k decay
rank 4 = 10k RP and 2k decay
...
rank 7 = 25k RP and 5k decay
rank 10 = 40k RP and 8k decay
rank 12 = 50k RP and 10k decay

so to hold your rank you have to get more RP than your current decay

How much honor = how many RP?
Depends on how much honor the no-lifers farm, how many players participated in PvP (>15HKs this week) and on your standing (how many players farmed more honor than you)

at rank 10 you needed around 170k honor to keep your rank last week (8k RP)
100k honor = 7k RP
160k honor = 8k RP
280k honor = 10k RP

Can't explain better.
A bit more I believe, at least on Horde side, from my calculations I made 9650 RP with 279K,as people made quite more than usual because of WSG Holiday

[MattThePhat]

Thanks for the replies. This is all the information I was seeking and explained better than I had previously read.

[yyy]

Thank you Dreez for the very detailled explanation,

if I understand correctly, since the server is very populated, grinding ranks will take much more time than a usual medium populated vanilla server?

[chapi]

if I understand correctly, since the server is very populated, grinding ranks will take much more time than a usual medium populated vanilla server?

Well no because it is all about percentage : the top 0,2% makes between 12 000 and 13 000 RP, top 0,7% between 11 000 and 12 000, top 1,7% between 10 000 and 11 000 etc.

He gave the info according to what we estimate about the total amount of people gaining honor in each faction etc.
(for the numbers I posted, check http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Honor_system_(pre-2.0_formulas) )

[Dreez]

More players are allowed to get to the top ranks simultaneously if there are more players participating in PvP (>15HKs).

However since some players decided to do premades for 15h/day, 7d/week, resulting in millions of honor farmed each week, the rest has to catch up more as well.

This basically forces you to either be permanently online to rank up or do premades yourself.

If you haven't experienced premades yet, here's a short summary:
- 15/10 players form a raid with the only purpose of running through empty BGs with enemies hiding away because they are unorganized (wrong class composition, worse gear etc.)and stand no chance.
- You cap 5/3 flags, and spend the rest of the time searching for a few "honorable" kills
- Important: always send in 1 player first. If he sees that you're matched up against an other premade: immediate dodge mode (Spy joins WSG queue pop as it is always instant, everyone else abandons his AB queue pop and they requeue for AB)
Why? Because it's not efficient to actually have a PvP fight, simply going for flags gives way more honor...


Well... if you're searching for actual PvP either queue at 7 am CEST or do open PvP

or be a rebel and feed every premade more honor, forcing them to farm more and more each week.

[MattThePhat]

Here is another question. At lower ranks if you get enough honor you can leap frog ranks. Like rank 2 - rank 4 etc... This is only allowed until a certain rank. Which rank does it stop allow you to skip ranks?

[Dreez]

depends on how much honor you gain and how much you progressed in your current rank
Standing 1 (around 900k honor for the horde, 1.5 million for the alliance) should give you around 13k RP
so if you currently are 99% into rank 9 (=39999 RP) you have a decay of 8k and you gain a little more than 13k RP --> it's technically possible to skip rank 10 and go to rank 11

On the other hand... you will most likely not get that much honor.

it's possible to skip ranks up to like end of rank 5 without premading / being permanently online (99% into rank 5 = 19.9k RP --> ~4k decay) --> you need 9.1k RP which is like 220k honor ish