A brief suggestion to fix the pvp (for puggers at least)

[bockhorn]

Alright so I think we can safely conclude that while Nostalrius attempt at pairing premade vs premade was a noble attempt to make the game more enjoyable for pugs, it ultimately is a failure. The reason for this would seem to be that premades open BGs for each other and simply dodge, rather than fight (which is natural, given how the pvp system works. So lets just assume that for now and not discuss this particular issue). That results in empty bgs that the puggers eventually fill. As a consequence, puggers rarely open new BGs where they face other puggers. Conclusively, the intended fix of premade facing premade has had the direct opposite effect.

Now, i¨m a premader myself going for rank 12 (will be 11 next week) so I'm writing from an impersonal perspective. I can imagine how horrible it must be for puggers right now, especially horde side who rarely get any WSGs. I therefore propose the follow solution: Make puggers not join empty bgs but rather make them open new bgs against other puggers. Puggers dont really have a chance vs premades (and they rarely attempt a defense); playing as premade is a battle against the clock not against actual players. So, effectively, this change wouldn't change the way premades play but it would be a huge improvement for the puggers I think.

This is just a spontaneous thought, but I think it would work...?

[Glemt]

so have premaders keep playing in a scummy way?

[Healthycoww]

What's the incentive for anyone to solo queue if you can just play empty games for honor?

[Robotron]

Force all group queues to run into another group, +/- 2 players, and immediately terminate all active queues once a player joins a BG. No more premade vs pug or queue dodging without taking Deserter.

Also, zero-tolerance permaban win traders.

[Jurary]

Force all group queues to run into another group, +/- 2 players, and immediately terminate all active queues once a player joins a BG. No more premade vs pug or queue dodging without taking Deserter.

Also, zero-tolerance permaban win traders.

permaban wintraders and queuedodgers retroactively, thank you.

[bockhorn]

Lets keep it to realistic suggestions. Also, any solution that depends on the actions of GM rather than an automatic system is likely to be inefficient; we cant expect GM:s to have to handle this.

[Healthycoww]

How about a revert? With the old system a pug vs pug game was only 2-3 queues away even during prime time.

[Jurary]

only fix is premade vs premade no matter what. u dodge or meet empty game/pug = no honor.

[Fuhrern]

only fix is premade vs premade no matter what. u dodge or meet empty game/pug = no honor.

yes please

disable multiqueue for groups, enable it for solo
empty game = 0 honor

i would love to just pug all the time

[Glas]

By the way, why is there a need to discuss this?
Nostalrius-Team has to make a post where they confirm that this bug exists and they are sorry for it and that they are going to fix it soon?

There should be no need to make a riot-like posts regarding this, im just curious why there is no response from Nostalrius if this is such a big thing? Is Nostalrius hiding in a Bunker like some corrupt Goverment leader?

Also there is nothing that say they are going to engage bugs in alterac valley. Im starting to get worried.