Horde loses so much???

Re: Horde loses so much???

by Kil » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:04 pm

lycos wrote:So you think Blizzard designed AV at first place with this map backdoor exploit so hordes can shortcut and go straight to the last gy? Its an exploit. But they didn't fix it right. They need to decrease the mine respawn time. A good horde team usually win AV by this exploit within 30min.

If your team is full of lv 51-55 going for herbs, mine ores and fishing you will lose. At the games I played this week hordes were full of leveling players and many low ranks lv 60 (most mages had around 2k hp....). Also, your tactic this week was to defend Galv and summon wolf raiders. This way alliance couldn't go south so you had to face a full defend. Soon hordes were so much scattered and alliance players easy won.

With this exploit man if hordes lose its usually their fault. Leveling and ungeared players can't win.



Not an exploit. They designed both bases with entrances you call exploits but they aren't. Just because alliance never has to use their backdoor into the horde base doesn't mean it isn't there.

You can already stop an entire horde raid with 5 people in addition to non-blizzlike changes, elites with a 2 minute respawn, mobs that aggro when they shouldn't, etc. What more do you need to win? Do you just want to zone into AV and get handed 3 marks? Why don't they just implement a vendor the sells marks next to the AV battlemaster.
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Niko » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:49 pm

:D :D oh it's this thread again
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Allora » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:23 pm

AV is pve anyway lads so who cares
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Rarilmar » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:42 pm

All it takes is a few Ranged dps on A at BD to defend and they can wipe or slow down a hole raid. The respawn rate of NPCs at BD is 1min and everytime A makes a push for it they basicly have Elite NPCs supporting thy're flanks! On the other side at RH H does not have any NPCs defending and H trying to recall and recapture the base is usually a big fail.
However H refuses to change tactics and defend a little while attacking from SP the normal way. And every attempt to change the tactics results in the guy who tries to be called names and some ppl actually directed me to some post where it's aparently proven matematics that loosing in 30min is better then winning in 45-1h. ( that threat is complete bs cuz it's based on both sides doing a rush game wich A will never do cuz they defend BD.

And here's a funny AV we had that will show the state of the Horde! We had a semi-premade with 2 groups from 1 guild (they will be happy I forgot the name) They began it very professional arranging the groups from start! delivering orders and stuff... So the AV begins and we go SHB and guess what? 4-5 A decided to defend the mined area in front of SHB and compelty wiped the PRO H 'premade'. The leader began to cry like a little kid that this is so stupid why A defend on AV weekend? Then they all /afk cuz it's a waste of time to them. And so ended the H 'premade' and thouce ppl were never seen again even trough they claimed they won last 10 AVs in begining.. topkek!

Every time H has a setback ppl just /afk cuz it's a waste of time... H is 50% pussy quitters that loose 75% of the time and even \when they win they fail to realize they had 4-5 ppl defending and slowing down the A that helped and those few ppl get called names the hole AV for not supporting the attack.

H tactics in a nutshell: Attack! all use back door! oh the A defend? ok! I quit no time for this shit! next AV!
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by lycos » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:59 pm

Rarilmar wrote:All it takes is a few Ranged dps on A at BD to defend and they can wipe or slow down a hole raid. The respawn rate of NPCs at BD is 1min and everytime A makes a push for it they basicly have Elite NPCs supporting thy're flanks! On the other side at RH H does not have any NPCs defending and H trying to recall and recapture the base is usually a big fail.
However H refuses to change tactics and defend a little while attacking from SP the normal way. And every attempt to change the tactics results in the guy who tries to be called names and some ppl actually directed me to some post where it's aparently proven matematics that loosing in 30min is better then winning in 45-1h. ( that threat is complete bs cuz it's based on both sides doing a rush game wich A will never do cuz they defend BD.

And here's a funny AV we had that will show the state of the Horde! We had a semi-premade with 2 groups from 1 guild (they will be happy I forgot the name) They began it very professional arranging the groups from start! delivering orders and stuff... So the AV begins and we go SHB and guess what? 4-5 A decided to defend the mined area in front of SHB and compelty wiped the PRO H 'premade'. The leader began to cry like a little kid that this is so stupid why A defend on AV weekend? Then they all /afk cuz it's a waste of time to them. And so ended the H 'premade' and thouce ppl were never seen again even trough they claimed they won last 10 AVs in begining.. topkek!

Every time H has a setback ppl just /afk cuz it's a waste of time... H is 50% pussy quitters that loose 75% of the time and even \when they win they fail to realize they had 4-5 ppl defending and slowing down the A that helped and those few ppl get called names the hole AV for not supporting the attack.

H tactics in a nutshell: Attack! all use back door! oh the A defend? ok! I quit no time for this shit! next AV!


And you think this behavior is only at horde side? If you let aside the tactics I thought you are talking about alliance. At alliance side there are 2 more things you don't mention. The 'let them win' and 'pls defend until korrak...'. Btw, alliance have some kind of defence because of backdoor. Before the backdoor thing most of the times there were not defending.
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Rarilmar » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:57 pm

lycos wrote:
Rarilmar wrote:At alliance side there are 2 more things you don't mention.

I did not mention them because those issues are just too common...
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Simonich » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:23 pm

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Re: Horde loses so much???

by mozibake » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:32 pm

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You could go to WPL and farm the level 55s Chinese mages at Dawson's Tears and if you were alone and killed 12-15 an hour you'd get still more honor/hour than losing an AV in the same time. Just saying.
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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Niko » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:40 pm

mozibake wrote:Image

You could go to WPL and farm the level 55s Chinese mages at Dawson's Tears and if you were alone and killed 12-15 an hour you'd get still more honor/hour than losing an AV in the same time. Just saying.

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Re: Horde loses so much???

by Halcyon702 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:51 pm

The swarm of Elite Ally NPCs (Including Explosives Expert, aka Minelayer #2) on 60 second respawn is enough to hold back the Horde raid.

Meanwhile 10 Alliance can trot into horde base, ride passed every NPC, cap towers and Relief Hut unchecked by anything save Horde defenders.

Realistically Alliance don't even need to be playing defense at all, the base NPCs and respawn rate does the job for them.
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