Remove Prem vs Prem Queue.

[Healthycoww]

and a system i will never have to dip my toe in again . why the fuck would i bother trying to play battlegrounds when i'd only get matched vs total shitters "dominating" me 10v3.

So you've only been 60 for 3 weeks? Gotcha. Seriously though, leave the PvP talk to the PvPers please. You obviously don't play battlegrounds why do you care?

[finalboss117]

I am ranking because I want to be recognized as one of the best players on the server.

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I think you're in the wrong expansion my friend.

You couldn't be more wrong...

Now.. I am not saying that GMs and HWL means that you are one of the best. and if you took it that way then you are really taking advantage of context or perhaps you are just really simple minded.

Ranking in the system is how to become recognized... For better or worse.. as shitters or as great players...

Did you notice Niko mention Bluefly and Xit as shitters?? Why do you think anyone knows who they are at all? Because they ranked. Did you see Niko and others mention Cerina as a good player? Why do you think he knows who that is? Because he/she ranked.

Also.. Currently most of the pvp gear is BiS for pvp... so having that gear is also going to caus epeople to recognize.. That is probably the reason 75% of the players came back to vanilla.. Because they wanted to be THAT guy that everyone inspected and whispered everyday because they were always on the top with the best guild/premade/gear.. etc.

So how else would you do it? Give your strategy to be recognized as one of the best on the server. Duels outside of Org? I would love to hear you give me some advice here.

If you don't care to reply I will take it that you agree with me (:

Thanks in advance boss

[Jurary]

and a system i will never have to dip my toe in again . why the fuck would i bother trying to play battlegrounds when i'd only get matched vs total shitters "dominating" me 10v3.

So you've only been 60 for 3 weeks? Gotcha. Seriously though, leave the PvP talk to the PvPers please. You obviously don't play battlegrounds why do you care?

way to miss the point, kiddo.

i've played on ED as well where you'd get matched vs premades 75% of the time with a full pug team.

why would i even bother setting foot in ab/wsg here when everyone screams its 10v1 ALL DAY. literally every single person who isnt a basementdwelling welfare leecher and is trying to enjoy casual pugging in bgs has been saying that in whatever chat i was part of during those ~2months ive been here.

get it through your thick, bronze skull that delusional premade farming shitters ruin the pvp scene for any decent pvpers.

[Healthycoww]

get it through your thick, bronze skull that delusional premade farming shitters ruin the pvp scene for any decent pvpers.

I'm sorry you can't handle some competition. Get good.
The vanilla ranking system isn't for players like you. It's for players like me.

[Chillout]

Vanilla system is for the biggest nolifers, skill has nothing to do with ranking. People here seem to think having skills means they need more efficient ranking. Wrong.

Go play arena.

[Healthycoww]

I just want to play with my friends really. I don't like PuGs.

[Darkwinjax]

I am ranking because I want to be recognized as one of the best players on the server.

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I think you're in the wrong expansion my friend.

You couldn't be more wrong...

Now.. I am not saying that GMs and HWL means that you are one of the best. and if you took it that way then you are really taking advantage of context or perhaps you are just really simple minded.

Ranking in the system is how to become recognized... For better or worse.. as shitters or as great players...

Did you notice Niko mention Bluefly and Xit as shitters?? Why do you think anyone knows who they are at all? Because they ranked. Did you see Niko and others mention Cerina as a good player? Why do you think he knows who that is? Because he/she ranked.

Also.. Currently most of the pvp gear is BiS for pvp... so having that gear is also going to caus epeople to recognize.. That is probably the reason 75% of the players came back to vanilla.. Because they wanted to be THAT guy that everyone inspected and whispered everyday because they were always on the top with the best guild/premade/gear.. etc.

So how else would you do it? Give your strategy to be recognized as one of the best on the server. Duels outside of Org? I would love to hear you give me some advice here.

If you don't care to reply I will take it that you agree with me (:

Thanks in advance boss

I will actually give you a serious reply because you geniunly seem like a nice guy, and I understand where you are coming from / what you are after.

The skill cap in vanilla is so low that there really is no point in classifying yourself as one of the best / worst, the game is taken to ridiculous levels of RNG, I can illustrate this in many ways but I believe that if you are experienced in playing in 1.12 servers you know what I mean, how different is it when a warlock procs 2 shadowtrances in a fight? when you play a warrior and don't get a single crit on a priest? or when a mage crits everyspell on you? If TBC / Wrath had their fair share of RNG (and that's the reason why WoW PvP, along with the existance of PvE will never be balanced), then vanilla takes the crown as the most retarded of them all.

Can you tell the difference between a good player and bad one? Obviously.
Can you tell the difference between a Glad / r1 player to a very good player? Not so likely.

Being the "best" in vanilla isn't possible, because there is no way to tell who is the best on a game that has a skill-cap so low and no objective way to define best (IE arena rating).

So with this being said I'll try and answer your question, why would you want to be recognized as among the "best" on this version of the game?

With this I want to clarify something, vanilla PvP is one thing: FUN. And I believe that you and many rankers might have forgoten that at one point, because I sure did when I was ranking in ED, and keep in mind that I solo queued most of the time to r10, I can't imagine how boring it must get farming pugs all game for days and days.

Should your desire to be "recognized" trumple over the desire for casual PvPers (casual != noob) to have their fair of joy while doing the same grind that you are doing? These changes won't stop you from getting your months of efame before you are forgotten, you can make your own squad of 3-4 friends and still solo queue for your grind, this simply allows other players who want to rank up but can't afford the time to spend on a consistent premade or just casually play some BGs every once in a while without having to feel like it's a rapefest every game.

Hope you now understand why these changes are pretty much the best thing that can happen to vanilla PvP

[Healthycoww]

Unless you wanna..you know... play with your friends or guild.
Against like...someone elses friends or guild.
You know...while you're doing that monotonous grind to high ranks.

The most thrilling form of PvP is when you queue into another premade just as prepared as you are to rock some face.

Every PuG game feels the same. You run around some you pew pew, you get some hks the game ends.
No riveting struggles against rivals you've been tested by again and again. No unforgettable games with everyone on both teams trying their hardest.

But you can play count the AFKs at LM.

[Darkwinjax]

Unless you wanna..you know... play with your friends or guild.
Against like...someone elses friends or guild.
You know...while you're doing that monotonous grind to high ranks.

The most thrilling form of PvP is when you queue into another premade just as prepared as you are to rock some face.

Every PuG game feels the same. You run around some you pew pew, you get some hks the game ends.
No riveting struggles against rivals you've been tested by again and again. No unforgettable games with everyone on both teams trying their hardest.

But you can play count the AFKs at LM.

How many dodgemades were there since this server opened? I didn't play since release and I can guarantee you there were more than the ones that actually didn't dodge other premades.

Pugs can be hardcore? Not with that atitude, but once you accept that since everyone has to solo queue the better your win/lose the faster you will grind your ranks.

You want unforgettable games? Why not queue a premade vs premade and you can actually do that now quite easily since you are put in a different queue, all you gotta do is talk with opposing premade to queue vs you.

This is getting quite circular and i'm tired of repeating the same things really, wether you accept reality or you keep making these excuses to promote facilitated ranking is up to you.

[Younie]

But you can play count the AFKs at LM.

Or you could stop spamming forum while being afk at farm during pretty much every ab game.
You whispered me such big wall of mad rage text it didn't seem plausible you could play meanwhile.