Warsong Gulch LoS

[Witcher]

Thank you Calippo for taking the time to find a response.

I asked for a blue post because for the most part, Nostalrius is a project of a handful of people who wanted to make a server this way. They wanted it to be blizz-like (for the most part), so generally speaking, that's the main reason it will remain as such. Blue posts give reasons to consider changes.

With the sourcing of blue posts, we have reason to bring it up to them that the game was supposed to be working different/better during vanilla than it actually was. Combining blue posts + community input, we have not only a solid reason to heavily consider changing the design of elements of our server, but knowledge that it will be positively received.

By no means are we ever shutting out community input or suggestions (except for name/race/class changes because no). That's why we have the suggestions forum. But what we want to see is not only community support for a change, we want to know that something was possibly considered before hand or that it may not have been working as intended on retail. Just because a community asks for something to be easier doesn't mean we're going to comply with such a request.

Keep in mind, that every suggestion means that it's something we have to discuss not only whether or not it will be implemented, but also how it will be implemented, who will do whatever coding is necessary, who and how long it will take to test AND where it should fit on the priority list of Things To Be Done.




On a side note:

I have a small request for everyone: Try to stay civil guys I know it's an online forum and many people will feel that when others disagree with them, it's a personal attack or something similar, which causes them to lash out in retaliation.

But don't. I'm not saying you can't, but it looks a lot better when you guys don't get off topic and call people names. I encourage you guys to use the report button on posts for people who are clearly being offensive.

I love you guys and I'm stoked you are all playing here, enjoying the server AND offering up suggestions that you truly believe will make this an even better place. Don't be discouraged if we happen to not respond immediately (or sometimes ever [we're really sorry, but we just won't respond to every post]). We GMs, Devs, and Admins due this because we really want to see this server succeed: we do not get paid or receive any bonuses on our normal characters!

-Witcher

[OGTUCKER117]

It should be how it was in 1.12 because it's a 1.12 server

[Jackyy]

vanilla cuts both ways

*edit* deleted meme because i linked it again in my post below

[Flash]

If Blizzard wanted to implement LoS on these objects, trees etc in the open world and in battlegrounds then they would have done it a long time ago(they still haven't done it.)

Having line of sight on more things such as rocks etc in the new battlegrounds works better because literally every class has a sprint and casters no longer cast their spells, they are pretty much all instants or you're able to move while casting them.

Also that bluepost could pretty much mean anything, since the bluepost is from 2007 they most likely pointed out the terrain issues of the locations of the graveyards, which they fixed in 2010 by lowering them. Because previously alliance took fall damage when jumping down & also for more dynamic tactics for example.



I'd also like to point out that this is a circle jerk of a handful of people whining because they are having trouble adapting to the real game. It does in no way represent the server community as a whole.

[Strythvieira]

If Nostalrious can be a better server than blizz (ofc they can) then it should. Blizzard made fails and mistakes (anyone can do) so why this has to follow those fails aswell?
All the posts I've read today, especially Calippo's are just a prove that Common Sense > Blizzlike, all the way!

Also Flash, take some tea and calm down pls, this is not whinning ppl, this is people that care about server progress and to implement a better experience (if possible) than retail, instead of worse (equal is impossible, if you want equal then stick to retail).

So leave the topic clean and let people work

[Jackyy]

If Nostalrious can be a better server than blizz (ofc they can) then it should. Blizzard made fails and mistakes (anyone can do) so why this has to follow those fails aswell?
All the posts I've read today, especially Calippo's are just a prove that Common Sense > Blizzlike, all the way!

Also Flash, take some tea and calm down pls, this is not whinning ppl, this is people that care about server progress and to implement a better experience (if possible) than retail, instead of worse (equal is impossible, if you want equal then stick to retail).

So leave the topic clean and let people work

well but where should it end?

Spirit on warrior dungeon set? should it stay or be removed. Or overall the stats on pre naxx gear.
i mean blizzard said that the whole vanilla pvp was a mistake.

the "mistakes" blizzard made, made vanilla what it is.

[mrmr]

let people work

Indeed, let people work.
Stop asking to reintroduce some crappy mangos' bug and let them work on REAL game-breaking bugs.

They would fix so many more if they could focus on bug-fixing, instead of reading all these "crappy" non-retail-like suggestions.

[Jackyy]

let people work

Indeed, let people work.
Stop asking to reintroduce some crappy mangos' bug and let them work on REAL game-breaking bugs.

They would fix so many more if they could focus on bug-fixing, instead of reading all these "crappy" non-retail-like suggestions.

^this.

but i would say it in a less harsh way.
if you leave the blizzlike road once, on a minor thing, it must end in some causal stuff.
because people will ask for more changes over and over again until u turned vanilla is some WOTLK/CATA like crap. ("you did it once, why not at XY?!")

there is only one way of playing vanilla

this one



and btw

ah and btw



stop this stupid meme shit, thanks!

[riq and snog]

Sorry just the manwich reminded me off this...
Totally offtopic tough
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u-6ph7NWoBM
Id go for pigskin , lockerroom an chuck norris sweat combo:-)

On topic
Them flamewars are pointless guys because most ppl suggesting los dont need los to rek u it was merely a suggestion to make pvp between premades more challenging.
We dont need to adapt to no los...
I thank everyone who put his opinion in, and was civil in argumenting:-)

We will bring this topic back a year from now, when the blizzlike card is a little less valid, and try again hoping for support of those against it now:-)
Have a nice day

[Tam]

^this.

ret paladin roleplayer who did not rank higher than 7 and never was spotted at least in one serious premade/pvp event for 4 years of playing at another_project came into pvp subforum and posting his heavy opinion how battleground should be scripted
ok

Indeed, let people work.

this project too young for immediate global changes as los
lots of people leveling, most of them did not taste battlegrouns seriously
but each day i see more and more people surprised about some1 casting past objects on the battleground
have never seen phrases similar to "finally this mangos bug fixed and i can shoot past trees", all of them quite opposite

give some time and Nos administration will notice perfecly that majority of pvprs r against blizzlike los system, even when few mushrooms like u love it