Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by NikeTheSword » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:11 pm

Auronk wrote:"Healthier conduct" is subjective just like "toxic behavior" I hate these buzzwords.

It's not subjective in this case. It's all about do's and don'ts that affect the success of the server.
Otherwise I agree with your post, we need clarification.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by Auronk » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:42 pm

NikeTheSword wrote:
Auronk wrote:"Healthier conduct" is subjective just like "toxic behavior" I hate these buzzwords.

It's not subjective in this case. It's all about do's and don'ts that affect the success of the server.
Otherwise I agree with your post, we need clarification.


It is subjective because it could be argued that killing enemy quest-givers could give you a feeling that your factions are actually at war. This is a whole other debate that I'm not willing to get into at this moment.

"Success" is also subjective, because that can mean from having the most amount of players possible to having the most dedicated players, pvp oriented, pve oriented, or even to just put out all the patches eventually.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by Ralavik » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:20 pm

Just the fact that you'll get muted for calling someone a "mangina" is all I really need to know.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by slimshady » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:57 pm

Ralavik wrote:Just the fact that you'll get muted for calling someone a "mangina" is all I really need to know.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by Pottu » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:32 pm

You won't get muted for that, you get warned and even that depends on the context. Unless "mangina" was a small part of a larger, far more horrific rant or you kept up spamming General despite being warned.

I am surprised by your ability to write hyperbole and outright lies here, Ralavik. Perhaps you should actually play on the server more, instead of repeating unsubstantiated rumours you read on Reddit.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by Auronk » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:17 pm

Pottu wrote:You won't get muted for that, you get warned and even that depends on the context. Unless "mangina" was a small part of a larger, far more horrific rant or you kept up spamming General despite being warned.

I am surprised by your ability to write hyperbole and outright lies here, Ralavik. Perhaps you should actually play on the server more, instead of repeating unsubstantiated rumours you read on Reddit.


Actually, you can get muted for saying anything at the GM's discretion.

A - Warning: For minor infringements. A warning is first given to inform a player about the rules and warn him about future sanctions. Warnings remain in the players record.

Examples:

Spam;
AFK in BG's;
Extensive killing of important quest NPCs;
Player harassment;
Racist or offensive sentiments;
Using color changing scripts in-game;
Abuse of assistance system (forum or in-game);
Lack of respect towards the server or the staff members.


B - Mute or short account account interruption.: Sanction given to players who are found to be in great violation of the points stated in A or that had been previously warned. This sanction will not exceed 24 hours.

There is no definition of "great" so it's up to the mods to define it themselves at their own leisure.

The mute in question was to the person posting under BeeLCS, and while he said there was no warning, you are currently saying that he did have a warning, which you never claimed he did in that thread before you locked it Pottu.

This was not in fact on Reddit, but on these forums themselves.

If a mod is hypersensitive to something, mutes could be thrown out when they shouldn't and MANY people could become upset. Either we need to get a tighter ToU or something like a tribunal put into place.

inb4 deleted post.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by riq and snog » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:01 pm

griefers and spammers feeling oppressed by rules:-)
Priceless!

Nain didnt get banned permanently despite previous warnings, for shutting down westfall for three days giving the gms so many tickets one actually congratulated him. Said dont kill npcs rule was set in place by that. THANKS NAI
The mangina dude spammed chat with insults for at least an hour on a daily basis also not perma banned!

Whatever your arguments here are


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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by Sortadead » Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:44 am

Again. If the rules are constantly changing (mods with differing attitudes depending on the situation) then how do you expect everyone to always follow said rules?


If you are not capable of understanding that the line between being a tolerable cunt and and intolerable cunt is and always will be a moving target, you will have to learn by experience.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by Auronk » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:08 am

Sortadead wrote:
Again. If the rules are constantly changing (mods with differing attitudes depending on the situation) then how do you expect everyone to always follow said rules?


If you are not capable of understanding that the line between being a tolerable cunt and and intolerable cunt is and always will be a moving target, you will have to learn by experience.


Ah, I see your point now. Everyone should be as politically correct as possible at all times in every social interaction on this server!

It really does make everything better when nobody has opinions for themselves, and always behaves in the exact same way as everyone else!

We should just change the server into a PvE server as well, wouldn't want anyone's feelings to be hurt by being ganked or corpse camped.

Gosh that would be just awful! Could you imagine? Someone with hurt feelings! /s

The difference here is that there are tangible punishments being threatened/handed out for being an "insufferable cunt." Which, as you said yourself, is always changing.

So the solution is to simply censor ourselves and not discuss or do anything that could ever hurt anyone's feelings even though that will happen eventually anyway no matter how hard we try to be nice to everyone.

riq and snog wrote:griefers and spammers feeling oppressed by rules:-)
Priceless!

Nain didnt get banned permanently despite previous warnings, for shutting down westfall for three days giving the gms so many tickets one actually congratulated him. Said dont kill npcs rule was set in place by that. THANKS NAI
The mangina dude spammed chat with insults for at least an hour on a daily basis also not perma banned!

Whatever your arguments here are


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98% of the current population who are crybabys, but dont break rules!


Ah! There it is. A mod congratulated a player for breaking a rule that wasn't yet put into place. Later, he was reprimanded for the same behavior. It's these mixed signals that can ruin someone's enjoyment of the server.

As for the mangina dude, do you have logs that can prove that's exactly what happened? otherwise it's just your word against his.
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Re: Hatred: The Warcraft Edition

by riq and snog » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:53 am

If you feel your enjoyment being ruined you are free to leave, as you are free to play.
ToU will always cater to the majority of the playerbase in order to keep the server healthy, growing and
(for them)enjoyable. Said rules will change again if the project should start to crumble. Blizzlike? yes!
How do we define crumbling?
Huge chunk of playerbase leaving over a short period of time!

Personal Opinion:
While i totally disagree with ToU in all points, because lets face it, who likes playing by the rules all the time,
I do set priorities for myself as in be a cunt vs play a game like a crybaby.
So far the crybaby wins because invested free time to me is precious enough to not be a cunt! there are other ways to be a cunt, but thers only 1 huge vanilla wow project!
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