3 reasons why premades kill pvp on Nostalrius

[Jurary]

feenix pug v prem has never been "boring"
most of the time t3 ally premade is just a bunch of backpedalers and are easily countered with a 3man grp
seeing who has R13/R14 on this server I doubt it would be different here.

Besides, not allowing group queing at all would be totally counter-productive. Some people don't enjoy pvp totally alone and want to play with 2-3 friends without being a full ranking premade.
Without talkign about full premade, what's the fun playing with 9 clueless chinese?
And organised prem V prem is a huge aspect of the game as well.

you're talking about warsong most likely.

on feenix ed horde you'd never ever play against pug if u queued as a horde. alliance only had shitter keyturning premades with perfect setup vs randoms.

which you can easily counetr with 3 man group? so what's the problem?

3v10 or 3v15 isn't gonna win you any games, lmao.

[Younie]

3man group implies having 7 other pugs?

[stimz]

3man group implies having 7 other pugs?

Even when it is 7 other pugs you can do enough to have fun with a competent minigroup that you wouldn't be making threads like these unless you're thinking you should be getting rank 14 without a premade without ULTRAUNHEALTHYYOUMIGHTDIEWHILEPLAYINGNOLIFING it is about as silly as thinking you should be able to solo raids.

[secondary]

3man group implies having 7 other pugs?

I've played often enought vs you that I can safely say that you and who ever you would Q with would certainly not have enought impact on the game to turn it arround. You are mediocre at best. Get over it Prane.

"I do not enjoy playing PuG games. I only like organized PvP" usually translates into
"My personal performance is not good enought to turn a game arround."


Played on a german PvE private server where they only allowed 5 man Qing. You still had people to play with while the other team didn't find themselves totally outmatched. So far the most fair BGs I've seen in WoW.

[Younie]

I'm talking about having fun in contrary to each game being premV2
My whole point is that premade don't ruin the fun, you can still have fun versus a premade as long as you have a 10v10 game. You don't need to win or "turn the game" to have fun.
But having 10vs2 each game does ruin the fun and is the actual problem. So focus on that, not on bashing premades.

[rambo]

r12+ gear is not even that good atm, certainly not to the point where it makes games unbalanced gear-wise, reason why pugs lose is because you cannot choose a decent setup, suddenly you are with 4 rogues in WSG vs a decent setup on premade side, not much you can do.

GOOD PLAYERS WILL BEAT BAD PLAYERS, unless like I said, they have a cancerous setup vs an organized prem. 5 good players in 1 pug is more than enough to give a premade a good challenge.

[/quote]

Are you nuts? Have you actually tried to solo que for WSG/AB on Nostalrius?

There are two scenarios.
First one: Instant que WSG to 10vs3 premade, or wait for AB for 20 min.
Second one: Instant que AB to 15vs3 premade, or wait for WSG for 20 min.

How the fuck is this fun PvP? In both scenarios you get excited because of AV que, but you end in a turrtle fight that lasts 4+ hours. It doesn't necessarily means that AV ally turtles are not fun, but only if you have 4+ hours to spear.

And you are right, you need 5 good players in a pug to mess up a premade. But if only you get those 5 players. But then they will be 5 vs 10/15. It's simple - five people in greens don't want to fight premades of 10-15 ranks 11+ because they better lose fast and hope for a decent bg, or get afk in ghost form.

[rambo]

My whole point is that premade don't ruin the fun, you can still have fun versus a premade as long as you have a 10v10 game. You don't need to win or "turn the game" to have fun. But having 10vs2 each game does ruin the fun and is the actual problem. So focus on that, not on bashing premades.

Well, lets bash premades for using dodging tactics to avoid each other or any group of 10/15 players that are willing to give them a fight. Premades want honor per hour, not proper pvp. They want rank and gear asap, not to pvp.

[Darkwinjax]

Ok, 10vs3 and 15vs3 is the consequence of people abusing the current queueing system to get easy ranks and play in afk games, I never really saw the problem in playing 15vs15 against a premade, sometimes you get premade and you are wreckd and sometimes you play pug v pug.

What I meant to imply by my post is that before crying on forums about premades, like all the crybaby threads I saw about people saying that premades were unfair and anti-fun, maybe you should go skill engineering and bother to learn how to play AB and WSG (I'm not even saying their class since that's beyond most people) it's disgusting how people still suck at AB even after 10 years. From my understanding nostalrius staff fucked with the queueing system in an attempt to please these people and now all you have is dodgemades and empty games.

[rambo]

Wait, wait... let's be clear on this...You are saying that premades who dogde pvp just to get more honor per hour are not the problem. Instead you take up arrogant l33t attitude towards random pugs who are not engineers, because they can't do shit about premade of 10vs3, or 15vs3?

Have you seen in the past month or so, a pug of 15 vs premade of 15? Or you reminiscent about one day that has happened. Don't lie to yourself that people are not good pvpers as you, oh the noble yet pro pvper. No! Major reason why there are no pvp fights any more is because premades DODGE every bg with 10 or more players. If you wan't to preach about 'learning to play AB and WSG" maybe you should talk about premades avoiding PVP completely for farming honor per hour.

Premades dont want to PVP because that may result in a loss or take up precious, and pointless, time for farming ranks.

[Younie]

My whole point is that premade don't ruin the fun, you can still have fun versus a premade as long as you have a 10v10 game. You don't need to win or "turn the game" to have fun. But having 10vs2 each game does ruin the fun and is the actual problem. So focus on that, not on bashing premades.

Well, lets bash premades for using dodging tactics to avoid each other or any group of 10/15 players that are willing to give them a fight. Premades want honor per hour, not proper pvp. They want rank and gear asap, not to pvp.

When there is the possibility of doing mad honnor by abusing and that everyone is doing it, you obviously have to do the same to compete.
It's down to nostal staff to make things fair, you can't exept 7k people to play it fair when it would only take 10 people to fuck it up for everyone else.
And do you really think premade enjoy having only empty games? Don't you think it's fucking lame to spend 10 hours a day every day for months in empty battleground?
The reality is that, even when you q as premade, you can't face another premade even if you wanted to. And you can't face a 10man pug either.