To all the alliance premaders...

[Ohr]

Let me get back to you on that real quick.

[Healthycoww]

It's not really abusing. There shouldn't be any restrictions on premades to begin with.
Also, there's no way to tell between intentionally queuing 2 5 man groups into the same game, and it happening accidentally.

There's also fewer alliance solo queues so you could probably just run a 10 man group with 2-10 minute wait times. We can do the same during certain times of day.

[Ohr]

If you think that it's not abusing there is no point in arguing with the likes of you.
And there are plenty of ways to tell if you are queing 2x 5man intentionally.

[Healthycoww]

I've ended up in full 10 man premades that I never intended to queue with. It happens when you're the only entities in the queue list.

If you're talking about the premades in WSG today, they queued as full 10. They don't have as many solo queues and we have enough to populate a game for them without causing them an insane wait.

I've tried to explain this before, but I guess you need to experience it first.

[Ohhgee]

playing game as group is exploiting

pls Nostalrius force all raids to be pugged so the server can be fair

[Healthycoww]

In a strange way, this system kind of ensures that premades will never play against each other.

[Pottu]

Let's tone down the trash talking please.

[Healthycoww]

I wish there was one discussion about this that didn't degenerate into meaningless trolling.

[PhilipRed]

It's not really abusing. There shouldn't be any restrictions on premades to begin with.
Also, there's no way to tell between intentionally queuing 2 5 man groups into the same game, and it happening accidentally.

There's also fewer alliance solo queues so you could probably just run a 10 man group with 2-10 minute wait times. We can do the same during certain times of day.

1º in fact there are restrictions, specific queues for premades.
2º You cant tell if 1 Bg is intentionally or not, but when this happens again and again and again.. day after day, its clearly not an accident.

The point here is the "will", a r12 can occasianally be in the same BG with many other r12-13, but when you are intentionally making a countdown to play as a premade you are corrupting the sistem, that is abusing and should be banned.

[Healthycoww]

Alright lets think about this for a second.

Lets say there's no warsongs open for either faction, alright? You go and park a 10 man premade in the queue list so now it's waiting for a match for that. It requires at least 10 players being in the queue -at the same time- in order to open a game.

Now it only takes 4 players to open a game of warsong, if 4 people from both factions queue, they'll open a game and it'll be a 4 vs 4, while the premade sits in the queue.

Now if you have -No one- in the solo queue alongside your premade, and 10 PuGs from the enemy faction pile up in the queue system, it matches against your premade and the game starts.

PuGs always jump ahead of you in the queue always. Alliance have fewer solo queues so there's always going to be 10 horde PuGs in the queue to open their games.

Understand? The queue system is basically stacked at the moment to favor the side with the fewer people playing. It's not abuse, it's a flaw in the queue system.