Warsong Gulch Graveyard jumping

[Shonem]

The justifications for wall jumping and exploiting are so weak and limp I doubt the people spewing them in this thread even believe their own BS.

I'd love to hear you guys actually try and verbalize this to someone and justify it.
"oh it's possible so it's fine."
Yes, possible through exploits in the terrain that aren't supposed to be possible.

"Blizzard did not ban people for creative use of game mechanics"
They didn't ban MANY people for this because while it did break the game, it was something they caused and it was part of the game, not an outside hack of some sort.
But what they DID do is attempt to make it impossible to do through patches and mechanic changes, and yes, some repeat offenders of this (if there were enough reports) were banned for this, I've known a few.

Cheating, exploiting, and hacking, are all low down forms of unsportsmanlike behavior, and anyone who repeatedly partakes in them is scummy at best.


"referring to anything they don't know how to do/cannot do as an "exploit""

Wall jumping and safespotting is an exploit, plain and simple.

I've played WoW since the beginning, I got pulled and warned for wall jumping outside of a PVP instance before.
It's just not something that's easy to catch someone doing, but in pvp it's a lot easier, and it negatively effects other people's experience in the game.

Any hardcore pvper with any credibility whatsoever would instantly call it out as an exploit, and cheating.
While I love Nostalrius, it's kind of a given that some of the people who actually wanted to come back to old school WoW are people who can't get away with as much crap on live side anymore.
If you made a thread about how wall jumping and getting to nearly unreachable areas is just "meta game" (laughable) on live side, you'd be flamed out of existence.
But there are a lot of people who want to get away with using these sorts of exploits on this server, so many people will come and defend it even if they know it's wrong.

I just wish you would be honest and say "yes, this is a wall jumping exploit, but it's possible in the game so I should be able to do it".
I'd have more respect for you if you just came out and told the truth, but posturing like you're in the right and just a superior player for wall jumping, it baffles me.

[Ihealwpvp]

your logic is flawed. In many sports, at the highest competitive levels, cheating is rampant/expected/common. In war, bussiness and in competition honor is a fools device, winning is ultimately what matters. Jungle law trumps all.

[diogenes]

your logic is flawed. In many sports, at the highest competitive levels, cheating is rampant/expected/common. In war, bussiness and in competition honor is a fools device, winning is ultimately what matters. Jungle law trumps all.

honestly, i never thought i would like you after facing you so many times in game, but I think we could really mesh well together.

A man's greatest pleasure is to defeat his enemies, to drive them before him, to take from them that which they possessed, to see those whom they cherished in tears, to ride their horses, and to hold their wives and daughters in his arms.

― Ghengis Khan

Wall jumping and safespotting is an exploit, plain and simple.

I agree, but honestly, I wouldn't call wsg walljumps wall jumping. Is it wall jumping to jump the gap from thaddius' adds to thadius' platform? Is it wall jumping to jump over a fence in ab? Honestly, the jumps in wsg are little different. You're not actually jumping on the wall, you're jumping from one surface to another. Wall jumping was made impossible several patches before 1.12, which is the current game client we use. When you jump on a hill, that's because you're jumping on a surface which is not vertical and has a horizontal component to it.

I just plain disagree that the wsg jump is an "exploit" and I think its more of a skilled maneuver to jump to a platform that can be relatively difficult to jump on.

[Shonem]

your logic is flawed. In many sports, at the highest competitive levels, cheating is rampant/expected/common. In war, bussiness and in competition honor is a fools device, winning is ultimately what matters. Jungle law trumps all.

"your logic is flawed. In many sports, at the highest competitive levels, cheating is rampant/expected/common"

Are you even trying?
I can almost hear your brain trying to escape from your head out of shame.

Rampant, yes.
Expected, sometimes.
Common, sure.

Bannable, punishable, and disgraceful?
Yes yes and yes.

[diogenes]

Bannable, punishable, and disgraceful?
Yes yes and yes.

Bannable and punishable, only because the weak collectively group together and oppress the values of the true nature of the world.

Disgraceful, not at all. There is no shame in doing what you need to in order to maintain your supremacy.

[Shonem]

Bannable, punishable, and disgraceful?
Yes yes and yes.

Bannable and punishable, only because the weak collectively group together and oppress the values of the true nature of the world.

Disgraceful, not at all. There is no shame in doing what you need to in order to maintain your supremacy.

No, because it's a game with rules, not real life.
But I'm starting to see your grasp on that reality is very thin.

[diogenes]

No, because it's a game with rules.

A game with rules that are completely arbitrary. You agree to those rules at your own peril.

But I'm starting to see your grasp on that reality is very thin.

I'm starting to see that you fail at metaphor. A grasp cannot be described as "thin." It makes no sense. I think you're trying to say that the grasp is loose, but I'm helping you too much at this point.

[Shonem]

No, because it's a game with rules.

I'm starting to see that you fail at metaphor. A grasp cannot be described as "thin." It makes no sense. I think you're trying to say that the grasp is loose, but I'm helping you too much at this point.

Ah, okay so you're just a troll.(or extremely dense)
Thanks for clearing that up.
You continue to have a VERY thin grasp on reality, and also of common metaphors and sayings. (also that words have multiple meanings)

[diogenes]

You continue to have a VERY thin grasp on reality, and also of common metaphors and sayings. (also that words have multiple meanings)

A quick google search for thin yielded these results - (going to ignore anything other than the adjectival meaning since you used it as an adjective)

1. having opposite surfaces or sides close together; of little thickness or depth.
"thin slices of bread"

2. having few parts or members relative to the area covered or filled; sparse.
"a depressingly thin crowd"

Neither of those meanings can apply to a "grasp." For example, how does a "grasp" have sides close together (or even sides at all) or how can it have any kind of thikckness. Its a grasp, its not really a tangible thing, its what a hand does to produce an effect of one kind or another on some object. Additionally, a grasp can't have "few parts" either. It is just what a hand does as I've already said.

Now, you could have said weak, loose, limp, or something of the like, and I wouldn't have pointed it out. But here's the thing, when you're going to insult how other people understand the world, at least take the time to actually *understand* what you're saying and how the words come out of your mouth. Otherwise, you sound like you're trying to impress people with words that you don't really know the meaning of (and "thin" is a very easy word to understand the meaning of).

One last thing, if you wanted to actually be poetic about this, you could have said something like "you're grasping thinly at reality but obtaining nothing."

That would actually make some sense, because "to grasp thinly" would imply that there are few sparse attempts to grasp something. See?

[Shonem]

That would actually make some sense, because "to grasp thinly" would imply that there are few sparse attempts to grasp something. See?

Claiming I don't know what a metaphor is, and then trying to take my words literally is probably the funniest piece of irony I've ever seen in my life.

Seriously, if you're a troll you're hilarious, but if you're not your parents need a refund on your education sir.
Maybe take English literature again?
Learn about the vast and commonly known metaphors, sayings, and phrases in the English vocabulary, like oh I don't know....THIN GRASP.

Next you'll be telling me a piece of irony makes no sense because irony is a concept and it can't be a physical piece to something.

Seriously, keep digging a hole, it's funny to watch.