Premades, again

[Younie]

Can anyone ELI5 the rank system? All this "br2" etc.

pm me ingame or forum if you want, i'll gladly explain

[Healthycoww]

It's not that we want to let the alliance premades dominate, but if you queue directly into them all the time it keeps them completely out of the solo queue list. Due to the high number of alliance premades it prevents you from seeing other players (Diminishing return on HKs hit hard here.)

That allows people like this:

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... ayer=Warss

To farm completely unhindered and gain faster honor then your premade. (Effectively making it pointless since these are the people you have to beat for bracket standings)

It's whatever though. Not my problem anymore.

[Younie]

It's not that we want to let the alliance premades dominate, but if you queue directly into them all the time it keeps them completely out of the solo queue list. Due to the high number of alliance premades it prevents you from seeing other players (Diminishing return on HKs hit hard here.)

That allows people like this:

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... ayer=Warss

To farm completely unhindered and gain faster honor then your premade. (Effectively making it pointless since these are the people you have to beat for bracket standings)

It's whatever though. Not my problem anymore.

And, before some angry rankers reply saying "it gives me less honnor to premVSprem", note that I'm not necesserly pointing at current rankers when I blame horde for not premading. But on such a large populated server, you could expect that at least 15 people (rankers or ex rankers or casual pvper) would enjoy premVprem.
But no. People get their vanity rank, join a bg once a week and complain in gchat "allaince premade ...". And go back to slaying dragons for another week.
Feenix, with 500 horde pvper per week, probably has more people interested in pvp than here with 10k horde pvper per week.

The fact that there are so few people interested in prem v prem is the actual problem.
Put whatever q system you want on top of that, it won't change the situation.

[Healthycoww]

Prem vs Prem should be something that happens as you rank not something you can do for fun if you want to.
Multiqueue disable is the best solution to dodging.
Blizzlike queues would stop us from simply splitting into 5 man groups to farm pugs instead.

It would fix absolutely everything. Yeah some pugs queueing in greens are going to get destroyed and graveyard camped, but you should have that happen if you queue in greens.

[Younie]

If you read any ranker/ex-ranker forum post arguing in favor of re-instauring blizzlike q, you can see the same argument over and over again:
"Premade Vs Premade is the highest form of PvP and what vanilla is all about"

Now, Horde has the opportunity to insta q against a premade and yet noone is doing it.

If some of those pro players were stepping up, we surely wouldn't hear so much about alliance being able to premade.

[Healthycoww]

Most people that would be interested in a good prem vs prem fight are unfortunately...currently ranking.

And then we've come full circle now haven't we?

[Younie]

How unfortunate.
This is the largest vanilla server ever and all the Horde people interested in PvP are ranking at the same time...
No seriously, I've only seen Ohgee that is done ranking and still pvp regulary. How is that possible on such a large server.

And then we read stuff like

This thread made me laugh

From R14 people that haven't step in a bg for months.

[Healthycoww]

Until the day we all walk around in Naxx and AQ40 gear.

[Younie]

So basicly the ptototype of a horde pvper on nostalrius is someone that wants to rank by farming pugs and only come back to "pvp" once they get full t3 so they can farm some more pugs.
Aiiiit. Good to know.

[Healthycoww]

It's not even that, if you want r14. My method is the only method.