Regarding Battlegrounds on Nostalrius

[Dusch]

wtf is all that shit written here? i didnt even bother read more than 2 lines from 1st post
for last 3 months ive played pug vs pug & prem vs prem games and i have nothing to say against it

everything was so fine

so what the fuck are u people even trying to suggest...

fucking toxic community

[snawfu]

bump)

[arOo]

so what the fuck are u people even trying to suggest...

short:
Blizzlike Q-System w/o Multi-Q
why:
Horde can only premade once Alliance Premade is queuing otherwise they get horrible waiting times and can't be efficient in farming honor.
- Alliance however can queue whenever they want to with reasonable waiting times. (This is because once you jump from the prem. vs. prem priority queue, ~after 5min, you get queued up in the normal single queues. And since Alliance is opening up the games once they get placed in the normal queue they get a pop.)
Effects:
A:Horde Premades only face Alliance Premades.
--> Uneffective to do it, unless you stomp Alien premades in <10min.
--> Horde premade (ranking) culture vanished.
B: If Horde premades they can't do it after their own schedule. Alliance needs to queue for their bg first.
--> If Alliance doesn't want to fight that premade they can simply queue for another bg.
---> Horde who got a hard time to make that premade (because people simply play their own schedule
-->see A) can't adjust to those switches. Now they are stuck in 30min queues to get a pug.
C: Longterm effect: Era of Horde players that don't learn how to play vanilla bg tactics. Hence you have awful
player material.
--> People with a competitve mindset go nuts when they try to rank. As an alien you want to have better
opponents and as Horde you just want to give these shitmades hell.

Still Wall of Text, in b4 TL;DR

[vathdaar]

so what the fuck are u people even trying to suggest...

short:
Blizzlike Q-System w/o Multi-Q
why:
Horde can only premade once Alliance Premade is queuing otherwise they get horrible waiting times and can't be efficient in farming honor.
- Alliance however can queue whenever they want to with reasonable waiting times. (This is because once you jump from the prem. vs. prem priority queue to the normal one ,~after 5min, you get queued up in the normal single queues. And since Alliance is opening up the games once they get placed in the normal queue they get a pop.)
Effects:
A:Horde Premades only face Alliance Premades.
--> Uneffective to do it, unless you stomp Alien premades in <10min.
--> Horde premade (ranking) culture vanished.
B: If Horde premades they can't do it after their own schedule. Alliance needs to queue for their bg first.
--> If Alliance doesn't want to fight that premade they can simply queue for another bg.
---> Horde who got a hard time to make that premade (because people simply play their own schedule
-->see A) can't adjust to those switches. Now they are stuck in 30min queues to get a pug.
C: Longterm effect: Era of Horde players that don't learn how to play vanilla bg tactics. Hence you have awful
player material.
--> People with a competitve mindset go nuts when they try to rank. As an alien you want to have better
opponents and as Horde you just want to give these shitmades hell.

Still Wall of Text, in b4 TL;DR

Absolutely agree, but its a payment that must be done for choosing retarded faction

[Niko]

but hey ) aLyeANX pvp gaer so foken ogli ) don't want rank 4dat

[Ohhgee]

but hey ) aLyeANX pvp gaer so foken ogli ) don't want rank 4dat

how dare you!

I am a stunning, beautiful woman!

[varth]

Well I though we were all on board that Ohhgee is an amazing, beautiful woman who had the exquisite bravery of a butterfly flying against the wind

[Santana]

so what the fuck are u people even trying to suggest...

short:
Blizzlike Q-System w/o Multi-Q
why:
Horde can only premade once Alliance Premade is queuing otherwise they get horrible waiting times and can't be efficient in farming honor.
- Alliance however can queue whenever they want to with reasonable waiting times. (This is because once you jump from the prem. vs. prem priority queue to the normal one ,~after 5min, you get queued up in the normal single queues. And since Alliance is opening up the games once they get placed in the normal queue they get a pop.)
Effects:
A:Horde Premades only face Alliance Premades.
--> Uneffective to do it, unless you stomp Alien premades in <10min.
--> Horde premade (ranking) culture vanished.
B: If Horde premades they can't do it after their own schedule. Alliance needs to queue for their bg first.
--> If Alliance doesn't want to fight that premade they can simply queue for another bg.
---> Horde who got a hard time to make that premade (because people simply play their own schedule
-->see A) can't adjust to those switches. Now they are stuck in 30min queues to get a pug.
C: Longterm effect: Era of Horde players that don't learn how to play vanilla bg tactics. Hence you have awful
player material.
--> People with a competitve mindset go nuts when they try to rank. As an alien you want to have better
opponents and as Horde you just want to give these shitmades hell.

Still Wall of Text, in b4 TL;DR

Absolutely agree, but its a payment that must be done for choosing retarded faction

Pretty much.

Pick the faction with the best PvP racials and you wonder why the queues are long?

If you let premades freely queue into pugs, nothing is going to change. The pugs will just afk like they do now, except it will happen much more frequently due to there being no "5 min additional wait time" for prems.

[arOo]

^No.

1) The threshold for a (full) premade is that pugs that are in front of the que get a pop, after that it's the same as going solo. So worst case scenario on Blizzlike is double the waiting time, average case is 1.5* and best case is 1*.

- Meanwhile here is what happens on the current system when there is no alliance premade:
5min waiting time for pm vs pm prio -> in the meantime (almost always) some games will end with horde pugs queuing again->after 5min you will get placed behind all those pugs
So, depending on how much games will end during these 5minutes your queue times will grow linearly larger.

2) You will not face premades all the time, hence you're honor/hour will be significantly better -> incentive to group up.

- Long term effect: Better Horde groups. - Better PvP

[Niko]

Some people just don't really want to win, it seems. There's just a fixation for numbers and supposed efficiency without effort = afking.