- Vanilla is NOT for casuals.
I'm a casual, because I have a family I have to spend time with and a job to make money to pay the rent of our flat and buy our own food.
You are hardcore, because you spend every waking moment staring at a screen while you ignore your family completely and they still take care of you.
You are hardcore, because while you're not awake, or at work or at school, you have other people playing your account and you most likely pay them to do so.
You are hardcore, because the game became your life and nothing else in your life is valuable to you anymore
You are not hardcore. You have an addiction.
BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Proctologist wrote:Revert the changes, Nost staff, or you'll lose big players and ultimately your population.
How many people actually premade? A very small percentage of people doing BGs.
Lose big players? If those are the ones queueing 24/7 with premade, then sure. Lose the population? If anything this will increase the population, at least in PvP. No more do the pugs need to get ROFLstomped all night without getting any honor.
I am not saying that this is a good thing, but you're overreacting.
You'll still be able to get rank 14 without premades if there are none, as long as you're the one who is playing the most on the server, or people communicate their honor earnings. Back 2-3 months ago almost nobody on horde side did premades because it was extremely impractical, and people still got their ranks.
- Zaft
- Sergeant Major
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Letch2010 wrote:Paultrouble wrote:Letch2010 wrote:Nostalrius is going to lose the trust of the upper end of the pvp community.
lol
I don't see what's so funny. You do understand that upper end means rank 10's and above, right? Moreover, it means the dedicated pvpers.
^ Lol.
This is funny because it seems that everybody here is under the delusion that pvp is about farming ranks and that having a high rank is an indicator of a good player. People are genuinely upset that they can't steamroll AFK pugs all day with their "hardcore" rankers premade? If you're really an "upper end" pvp player then prove yourself in the pugs.
I bet this will increase the number of people who queue battlegrounds and assuming that it works properly it means teams can coordinate pre vs pre games efficiently. If this means the emerald dream rankers quit and go back to farmville then maybe I'll have to start levelling here after all.
- hi*
- Private
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Wtf is this server. Are you actually serious... Wish i knew the direction the staff were taking with the server before i chose to play here. This is worse than tauren on mechanostriders.
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Monkeynews
- Sergeant
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Lets see, 9000 hordes got a ranking last week and ~lets call the top 90 your "TOP PVPERS", extremely hardcore people that are going for rank10+ That is 90/9000 = 1/100 or 1%. So this change has benefitted 99% of the pvp community vs slightly hurting the 1%. Now lets see the argument that you put in more time?
An avg casual pvper puts in ~5 hours a week, An avg hardcore pvper puts in ~60 hrs/week. That timeshare still ends up being 91% Casuals, 9% Hardcores.
You already put in 60hrs/week pvping so you will continue to be top 2% in honor gathering over the rest of the *peasants* that only play 10-20 hours a week. Why don't you just solo queue and if you are SO GOOD like all the 'top pvpers' claim they are, then you worth 2-3x the regular player in a pug, and you will help your team win mad easily, getting 75% of the honor you are getting at the moment.
Lets see what have you lost: You can't steamroll 3-5 bgs of pugs in a row (You win these without actually pvping....literally) And then on your 4th/6th BG you ended up queueing vs a premade, Which BOTH SIDES ATTEMPT TO DODGE. You CANNOT argue you don't go out of your way to dodge, because you need your maximum honor/hour which you aren't getting if you're actually pvping (wait wasn't acutally pvping your entire argument?). And then continue to grind another 3-5 bgs of pugs and the loop goes on.
I've had the hardcore premades dodge my pugs when we had too many rank 8's. I've had them dodge my casual premades. In fact, the only time there is actual premade vs premade is maybe 2 bgs a day at the end of your honor cycle on monday/tuesday. So you spend ~96% of your week grinding pugs, and not actually pvping.
What have you accomplished: You've practically killed off the pvp scene. On Emerald dream, a server of ~1000 pop online, we always had 2 WSGs going on at the same time without multiqueue. On this server of 5000-7000 online, you have 3 WSGs and 2 ABs, with multiqueue. All the people who pvp less than 20 hours a week, have slowly started disliking BGs.
When we solo queue for pvp though the BG system, we don't get PVP. We get graveyard camped for 30-45 (3-5x games + queuetime) minutes of games, then we finally get a pug and we can have actual PVP.
When we take your advice to "if you don't like getting graveyard camped all day, make your own premade and face us" so we make casual premades of people who want to PVP. We queue, we get a game, its your hardcore premade, nice! Time for actual PVP where we don't get graveyard camped but we provide actual competition and can have legit games! NOPE Your entire team leaves the bg to join another bg and we play against a pug. Then we queue again and you keep dodging us. So after a while, all were doing is graveyard camping the enemy pug adding to the problem, usually at that point I leave cause I wanted actual PVP and I never got it.
Lets be honest here: Your hardcore premades will just solo queue together by saying in vent "OK 3....2...1...QUEUE" and then between 50%->100% of your premade will be in the same game. And since it will be against a pug you will steamroll them again and again until their team is made up of 75% a premade. Then you will dodge them.
What is the result of this change: A huge quality of life benefit for 98% of the server, a slight hindrance to 2% of the server.
An avg casual pvper puts in ~5 hours a week, An avg hardcore pvper puts in ~60 hrs/week. That timeshare still ends up being 91% Casuals, 9% Hardcores.
You already put in 60hrs/week pvping so you will continue to be top 2% in honor gathering over the rest of the *peasants* that only play 10-20 hours a week. Why don't you just solo queue and if you are SO GOOD like all the 'top pvpers' claim they are, then you worth 2-3x the regular player in a pug, and you will help your team win mad easily, getting 75% of the honor you are getting at the moment.
Lets see what have you lost: You can't steamroll 3-5 bgs of pugs in a row (You win these without actually pvping....literally) And then on your 4th/6th BG you ended up queueing vs a premade, Which BOTH SIDES ATTEMPT TO DODGE. You CANNOT argue you don't go out of your way to dodge, because you need your maximum honor/hour which you aren't getting if you're actually pvping (wait wasn't acutally pvping your entire argument?). And then continue to grind another 3-5 bgs of pugs and the loop goes on.
I've had the hardcore premades dodge my pugs when we had too many rank 8's. I've had them dodge my casual premades. In fact, the only time there is actual premade vs premade is maybe 2 bgs a day at the end of your honor cycle on monday/tuesday. So you spend ~96% of your week grinding pugs, and not actually pvping.
What have you accomplished: You've practically killed off the pvp scene. On Emerald dream, a server of ~1000 pop online, we always had 2 WSGs going on at the same time without multiqueue. On this server of 5000-7000 online, you have 3 WSGs and 2 ABs, with multiqueue. All the people who pvp less than 20 hours a week, have slowly started disliking BGs.
When we solo queue for pvp though the BG system, we don't get PVP. We get graveyard camped for 30-45 (3-5x games + queuetime) minutes of games, then we finally get a pug and we can have actual PVP.
When we take your advice to "if you don't like getting graveyard camped all day, make your own premade and face us" so we make casual premades of people who want to PVP. We queue, we get a game, its your hardcore premade, nice! Time for actual PVP where we don't get graveyard camped but we provide actual competition and can have legit games! NOPE Your entire team leaves the bg to join another bg and we play against a pug. Then we queue again and you keep dodging us. So after a while, all were doing is graveyard camping the enemy pug adding to the problem, usually at that point I leave cause I wanted actual PVP and I never got it.
Lets be honest here: Your hardcore premades will just solo queue together by saying in vent "OK 3....2...1...QUEUE" and then between 50%->100% of your premade will be in the same game. And since it will be against a pug you will steamroll them again and again until their team is made up of 75% a premade. Then you will dodge them.
What is the result of this change: A huge quality of life benefit for 98% of the server, a slight hindrance to 2% of the server.
- Dohrr
- Tester
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
As I said on another thread, although I'm done with ranking, this is complete bullshit towards anyone trying to. Want to play with friends? Welcome to 20 minute que times. Want to rank up? Welcome to a team of 3 afkers, 3 random runners and 3 guys who don't even speak English. I kinda hope people will quit and your server dies.
- Mortadela
- Senior Sergeant
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
absix wrote:[...]
if there are no premades, the premade which is queued for bg has to wait at least 30+ minutes for a game to be matched vs a pug, on the horde side at least
[...]
Only this need to be fix !
@Monkeynews : Do you have any contructive idea other than nothing?
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Noxm
- Knight-Lieutenant
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Monkeynews wrote:Wtf is this server. Are you actually serious... Wish i knew the direction the staff were taking with the server before i chose to play here. This is worse than tauren on mechanostriders.
It's easy to think that way when you haven't been on the receiving end of the stick.
I am not saying that this is the answer, but amount of alliance premades were a real problem that needed to be dealt with in some sort of way. At times it was literally impossible to get anything done if you were horde, all you would run into were premades 20-30 games in a row.
- Zaft
- Sergeant Major
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
Still can't believe Feenix died over this peace of garbage.
Server has been underwhelming from day one -The hypetrain needs to die now for good.
@Ohr
So you call people losers, who have more time on their hands than you do as a family father.
I always knew that the morons of our society like to procreate.
I would advise you to spend your valuable time, with your children instead of discussing something, which obviously won't ever concern you.
R10+ has always been no-lifing and that's all to it, we don't need to create artifical boundaries to make it even harder for these guys.
Yes its awful to be grinded by premades 24/7, but it has been getting better in the last couple of weeks.
(Only 1 Alliance Premade this week e.g.)
Edit_2:
To all the people defending the majority of PvPers on this server.
The majority in this system is completely irrelevant, high Ranks are a feat of Endurance already, which is now entirely determined by who can play the longest hours.
Effectiveness doesn't even come into play anymore. Who in their right mind can maintain a 20h+/day schedule over several weeks (let's just say you want bracket 1/2 from r10 on, which will result in roughly 2 months to r14)
Ater a few weeks you will see only smart bots/account sharers on the top of the standing lists making it impossible for legit players to attain those ranks.
And as so many people said already, its always bad to cater to majorities- it is what made us leave retail in the first place.
Server has been underwhelming from day one -The hypetrain needs to die now for good.
@Ohr
So you call people losers, who have more time on their hands than you do as a family father.
I always knew that the morons of our society like to procreate.
I would advise you to spend your valuable time, with your children instead of discussing something, which obviously won't ever concern you.
R10+ has always been no-lifing and that's all to it, we don't need to create artifical boundaries to make it even harder for these guys.
Yes its awful to be grinded by premades 24/7, but it has been getting better in the last couple of weeks.
(Only 1 Alliance Premade this week e.g.)
Edit_2:
To all the people defending the majority of PvPers on this server.
The majority in this system is completely irrelevant, high Ranks are a feat of Endurance already, which is now entirely determined by who can play the longest hours.
Effectiveness doesn't even come into play anymore. Who in their right mind can maintain a 20h+/day schedule over several weeks (let's just say you want bracket 1/2 from r10 on, which will result in roughly 2 months to r14)
Ater a few weeks you will see only smart bots/account sharers on the top of the standing lists making it impossible for legit players to attain those ranks.
And as so many people said already, its always bad to cater to majorities- it is what made us leave retail in the first place.
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arOo
- Senior Sergeant
Re: BG queue system issue, asking for administrator response
I see lots of posts about how this is beneficial to the majority. Isn't that completely irrelevant?
You can argue that this change is "for the good of the server". You can also argue that free respecs are for the good of the server, tuned raids are for the good of the server, many other things could be for the good of the server. None of these things are included because they are not blizzlike and this is supposed to be 100% blizzlike server. That's how it was advertised and that's why we're playing here.
This is how things start going wrong. What gets ninja patched next to benefit the majority? It's a slippery slope that will turn nost into another playground server.
You can argue that this change is "for the good of the server". You can also argue that free respecs are for the good of the server, tuned raids are for the good of the server, many other things could be for the good of the server. None of these things are included because they are not blizzlike and this is supposed to be 100% blizzlike server. That's how it was advertised and that's why we're playing here.
This is how things start going wrong. What gets ninja patched next to benefit the majority? It's a slippery slope that will turn nost into another playground server.
- Ratty
- Tester