Please stop chinese win trading

[SupaflyIRL]

http://imgur.com/a/DdLiz

Two chinese teams are effectively creating games in which there opponents do not get into the game until they have 4+ bases in AB against alliance or a flag cap in WSG against horde. This has been reported every single day this week and there has been nothing done so far. Everyone's honor will be effectively worth about half, meaning you worked twice as hard this week for your RP gains this week because this has not been addressed yet. This is an unintended consequence of the new queue systems that people have warned about and has just been dismissed as "QQ"ing. This affects everyone (unless you account share or win trade, in which case gg on grand marshal).

[SupaflyIRL]

I have no doubt in my mind that these characters (and their alliance counterparts zehueihei, xxooqq, bluefly, etc) will be up for sale on one of our friendly local goldselling websites as soon as they're done ranking. Please stop susan and sinba from spamming the PVP honor system the way they spam general chat.

[Letch2010]

These games happen consistently throughout the day when we queue. By the time we're all in the game, they're already at our BG entrance with an impending five cap. These players are almost certainly win trading in this manner. This must be investigate extensively.

[t3hpwn3r3r]

These games happen consistently throughout the day when we queue. By the time we're all in the game, they're already at our BG entrance with an impending five cap. These players are almost certainly win trading in this manner. This must be investigate extensively.

[VanillaPlayer1]

How is this different from what happened in the old system with premades dodging each other?

It is definitely a problem, but I don't see how it can be classified as "win trading" and bannable.

[SupaflyIRL]

Because they are communicating to queue at same time to abuse the premade v premade matchmaking system, and they know to always take the proper BG (alliance takes WSG, horde takes AB every time).

[Letch2010]

If you haven't gasped it yet:
Not everyone PvPs to farm honor and get high ranks for slightly better items.
Some just do it for fun.

Everyone knows that there will be some putting more effort into ranking up because they want to achieve the ranks as quick as possible. That's understandable and OK, there is nothing to say against premading.

However the current situation where 90% of the games consist of no pvp action is tremendous.

Let's take a look at an example:
- 2 Horde premades are in queue along with 50 pugs
- Alliance premades and pugs get instant queues

The alliance premade, queuing for both WSG and AB at the same time will instantly open up 2 BG instances.
They will only join 1, the other one is going to be unused for now.

But what happens with that?
Horde will immediately enter as they have queue times, alliance pugs queuing after the BG opened will be put into the already opened instance.
Other premades will not be invited to this BG anymore since there already is one pug and not enough open slots and thus open new instances.

This results in tons of 14v3 games.


Now let's add chinese wintraders:
- alliance chinese wintrader group queues AB + WSG when their horde partners are out of queue, both instantly pop up, they leave both queues. The BGs are still opened and single alliance players will fill them up and thus result in the wintraders being able to queue again and open even more BGs.

Repeat until the horde group gets instant queues and then keep the balance.


What is the total outcome:
hundreds of empty BGs, absolutely no PvP action, premades literally afking 99% of the time and pugs fighting with 3 others against full premades.

Premade PoV: Everything's fine, they get their honor even faster (as seen this week)
Pug PoV: absolutely no PvP action

Kinda funny how the premaders still tell everyone to form their own premade if they don't like the current pug situation, are you retarded? The system won't work without the single people blocking premade vs. empty BGs --> less honor for you
+ judging from my own experience with premades especially on this server, it is absolutely boring (aside from almost everyone being either high or drunk)

not to forget the shady business of agreements with chinese wintraders, not reporting them unless they break your brackets

TL; DR: queue system is fucked and massively abused

[lvkuang]

this is simply a dodge premade match like every other premade group is doing, lets not bring race into this. two chinese premade group meet in AB, one dodges and joined WSG, suddenly this is branded as Chinese win trading. can we be more ignorant?

[VanillaPlayer1]

^^Exactly this.

They queue at the same times because they are in the same time zone. Also "joining the right BG every time" ? This is simply scouting and dodging... just like what was happening before.

Don't see how this is suddenly so different from previous dodgemades.

[lvkuang]

I am chinese, and I admit that there are some people within our community that sell gold/accounts. and I agree 100% on the decision of banning them because they do ruin everything. But they are only a small fraction of our community, most of us are just like everyone else here, we want to play the game fairly and enjoy it. Let's not be racist and ban chinese pvpers just because we are chinese.