***** Revert the PvP Queue Changes Now *****

[Drewbit]

What has been done to the Queue system is Rediculous.

Revert the Horrible changes that you have made.

Solo Queueing = queueing into a premade game that has already started.

Premade Queueing = Playing against a non existant enemy because of "Win Trading".

THE PUG VIEW

With the original "Vanilla" queue system that was in place on Nos, the Pug's could actually play against another pug team eventually. If they were playing against a Premade atleast they had time to coordinate and form a strategy. Now when you pug you join an almost already started game with only 4 of your allies and there is literally no point. It is clear that your average solo queue players will just avoid these BG's now and just play in the Turtle Valley.

THE PREMADE VIEW

You can say Premades are "Win Trading" but without any communication with the opposite faction. It seems as though the Alliance will choose WSG and the Horde will choose AB. Now you might say, "Drew, both factions are intentionally queuing both Battlegrounds so they can trade with the horde premades for easy honor games." While there would probably be a few premades out there who do this, there are some who just queue one BG in hopes of actually pvping instead of racing against a timer. This should fix it right!?!? WRONG! It doesnt matter because one of the premades will inevitably queue AB and the opposite faction team you are facing WILL leave.

Edit: It is now WSG weekend. The horde are taking WSG while the alliance take AB.

This is the Original Thread that Never got a response with over 250 Comments..

http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=17866

The current situation is the direct result of this change.

STOP MAKING NON VANILLA CHANGES TO YOUR VANILLA WOW SERVER.

ADMIT YOU MESSED UP AND REVERT THE CHANGES.



Comments that help clarify the problem:


"For 11 years, wether on retail or pserv, Vanilla players have ALWAYS simply found the best method for farming Honor, and used that method to achieve their ranks.

On every server previously, that method was just plain old Premading. And on every server previously, people that don't have insane amounts of free time, or don't have a strong team, or can't afford to keep up with being a tryhard and spamming consumables whine and complain non stop about how unfair the system is. The Honor System is not supposed to be fair, and high ranks are DESIGNED to be something that only a handful of players achieve.

Nostalrius made the mistake of listening to the same people that have whined for 11 years, and attempted to create a system in which these whiners don't have to fight premades. However they failed to understand that people premaded because it was the best method for farming honor. By forcing premades to wait in long queues only to fight drawn out stalemate games against each other, Nostalrius basically killed that method of farming Honor.

So, of course, players have naturally found the new best method for farming Honor, and the results of this method can be seen in the 100's of empty Battlegrounds daily, the extremely low honor caps for both factions, the increasingly low number of lifetime kills required to reach high rank, and the completely broken PuG queues.

Please revert these changes before PvP dies on this server." - OHHGEE



"This is the direct result of changes that Nostalrius recently made to prevent solo queue players from being farmed by premades. The result of their "fixes" is that Horde and Alliance premades constantly play (dodge) each other and get free Honor all day while solo queue players wait in absurdly long queue times only to be placed in 10v3 or 15v5 games.

I think even the people that used to complain about no life premades farming them all day would prefer returning to that system over sticking with the current one." -OHHGEE




"With the old queue system I could still get a top 30 standing with pure solo queue due to terrorizing WSG.

With this system I have the choice between choosing 130-ish honor per 5 minutes with solo queue WSG, or 2000 honor per 5 minutes with premade queue AB, Or I can premade queue WSG for about 2000 honor in 30-40 minutes (If faced with resistance.)

Now as a high rank which of these choices are you FORCED to choose to keep up with everyone else?

Go back to first in line queues. Yes... you're gonna get wrecked by premades... It's part of the game. But those premades will also have to fight each other. And sometimes you won't face a premade! And sometimes...sometimes those premades are really bad! Sometimes you wreck them with PuGs because you still start with a full 10 or 15.
You can't dodge when you're in 10 minute queues, only when your faction has the double instant queues. It's difficult to dodge like this, unlike the revolving door BGs we see right now." - Healthycoww

[Rhoen]

Nothing else to be said, spot on.

[Healthycoww]

I feel robbed of a week of PvP during my rank grind.
Getting honor this week has been quite zombifying.

[Drewbit]

Healthycow, did we both decay for a few weeks and then start gringing again?

[Healthycoww]

No, but I ranked to 11 with solo queue exclusively so it wasn't the fastest trip up. I had a few slow weeks.

[wedemboys]

yea can we get the old system back so i can actually face some fucking horde while ranking.

[juyudao]

Healthycow, did we both decay for a few weeks and then start gringing again?

cause all premades start cheating this week, cause gamemaster never fix anything, cause you cannt get a high rank if you dont cheat.

[scoop]

2 or 3 horde premades win trading right now with an alliance premade. kind of a joke to even bother trying.

even the "join a premade" logic is irrelevant. none want to actually fight...just exploit the system. it is pathetic.

40 min solo queue lol

[BrockCage]

Simple fix for this would be to stop premade dodging, make it to where group q only works for 1 battle. and you cannot group q if someone is in a different battle. Problem solved for all!

I too am fed up with this, the only way to get past rank 10 is to exploit the way the queue system works

[BrockCage]

even the "join a premade" logic is irrelevant. none want to actually fight...just exploit the system. it is pathetic.

100% agree, i want fair fights starting with 15 players on each side for AB, and 10 on each side for WSG. I have no interest in farming honor from fighting no one all day like some of these pathetic high ranks do all day.