Need to implement PuG v PuG / Premade v Premade BGs.

[crime]

Dodging is not the main problem, the main problem is premade vs pug. Remove queue dodging and all that means is the premades idle against each other trading fast wins so they can get back to farming honor. Theres no benefit for the alliace premade to fight the horde, infact its better for them to let them win as quickly as possible - a 3 min loss followed by 5 3 min wins is a boatload more honor than 1 20 min win.

There are 2 things tha could kill this server. Taking a year to release new pve content and pvp dieing (whih it will if the premade issue isnt fixed)

Td:lr I dont care what u do but u need to do something to reinvigorate pvp, the premades r going to destroy the server.

[Codeine]

well said , pvp on here is shit, sure its fun for the half dozen ally premades stomping noobs and getting easy gear, but what about the majority of the pvpers on horde that have to sit for 12hrs a day losing constantly, that isnt fun for them.

Wouldn't it be more honorable for good pvp premades to fight other premades and let the casuals enjoy the game.

People will probably start leaving when they get bored because one portion of the game isnt viable to them. But i bet the server owners don't care 10,000 people is alot. 10k people and only 50 ally queuing...

[Tam]

People will probably start leaving when they get bored because one portion of the game isnt viable to them

thats pretty fine, less crying retards - less server lags
farm them more, please

[Sylvant]

This server shown me so far problems that are common on other servers can be avoided with small fixes and i hope same thing happens with the pvp problem. Yday i also got caught by GM, while i was tabbed for short playing against the ally premade, 90% of the present horde players were also hid in corner and afk most likely, ofc that doesnt excuse me. I felt pretty bad, the next game in AB(again vs premade) i mounted up and charged ahead, ally players ran by me and didnt even bother attack, they would even let me stand close to their flags guarded by a single of their kin. What bothers me is what are the server policies for avoid fighting if let say its pointless to do, like in the case of pug vs premade and does that differs from hiding in some corner, seemingly afk?

[Zygoth]

So currently BGs are for premades only.. this was fixed in Vanilla later on, but the way things are going
now with highranked premades steamrolling pugs while avoiding enemy premades, we need this
implemented yesterday .

This was never fixed in Vanilla. I ran a premade till maybe a month before patch 2.0 hit, and it was perfectly easy to dodge other premades in order to make sure we were going against PuGs. That being said, I am opposed to them implementing any type of special system simply because it wouldn't be Blizzlike.

I think that one thing that will help to an extent is if they release the battleground reputation gear. I think that some people avoid battlegrounds because they don't see any benefit to joining. There are people who don't have the time/desire to achieve a high rank, so they don't bother. With rank decay and whatnot, there's not really a point in grinding honor unless you plan to do it whole-heartedly. However, if the rep rewards existed, those people might be more inclined to queue for battlegrounds. With more people queueing, more battlegrounds will be going at a time, and more PuG vs PuG action would go down.

[durabigael]

"However, if the rep rewards existed, those people might be more inclined to queue for battlegrounds. With more people queueing, more battlegrounds will be going at a time, and more PuG vs PuG action would go down."

They are coming and its take quite a while to raise to exalted. Its better start working on that right away even if the reward is not there yet

[Diggot]

'This needs sorting out NOW. Alliance has been running premades ALL weekend, as usually,
and completely stoming out horde. We even tried setting up a lowranked premade and ran into
alliance-premades with 7 Fieldmarshals ALL THE TIME.

Currently alliance is running 3 Premades, 2 of them having several R10+ in both wsg and ab,
and there is nothing horde can do.

[Diggot]

This issue still needs sorting out .

Full R10+ Premades stomping lowranked PuGs .. THIS IS NOT PVP.

WHY do you think Blizztard changed the system only a few weeks into the release of the queue-system?,
because IT DIDNT WORK ... And this doesn't work, we need a change fast.

[killuminati]

@Aunstic RE: Nain

People frequently try to tear down others to bolster themselves. There are plenty of great PvPers on both factions and a fair mix of average and bad ones -- just like retail was during vanilla. In fact, the players are better on average on here I find. Retail Vanilla was the first MMO for a lot of people and the players on here seem to have been playing a lot longer than (obviously) people in 2005-2007. If you were around then and look at things 100% objectively and not in a way to rip on people, the players on here are on average superior to the retail ones a decade ago.

I will say that battleground strategy has eroded into 10 man zergs -- likely due to the importance placed on arenas on retail few people were around when BGs and BG strategy were important. None of the premades I've occasionally taken part in or seen have had an efficient strategy other than 10 man zerg which is unfortunate. The strategy is what premade vs premade so much fun.

That was longer than intended, but yes I do agree the system is seriously broken. What's happening on Nost was not Blizzard's intent. The most Blizzlike feature of all is giving players the best experience possible.

[Diggot]

Alliance has been running 2-3 R10+ premades since friday now, stomping Horde-pugs...

Is this the how the "gameplay" should be like in BGs ?.