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Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:29 am
by octav3k
Here's a suggestion - since the terms of use state that "scamming" and "COD scamming", as well as "impersonating someone from the Nostalrius staff", are bannable offenses, but this does not get enforced and, instead, players are told that "what happens between players is between them, we don't interfere", maybe you should remove this part from the rules altogether.

Alternative suggestion - specify more clearly where it applies and where it doesn't, so that players don't end up feeling like the part on the front page about "Stability & SECURITY" is only half true.

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:58 am
by AverageJoe
Not sure what you're getting at or what's ambiguous. Scamming and staff impersonation result in a temporary interruption of the account, not a ban; though you could think of it as a form of a ban, but only temporary. Players have indeed been banned for scamming and permabanned for repeated scamming or impersonation offenses.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ion#p87355
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ion#p72753
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ion#p71604
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ion#p57453
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ing#p56043
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... ing#p50643

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:35 am
by Bioness
I fail to see how their rules are ambiguous. You don't want to get banned? Don't tiptoe on whatever "grey" area they may have.

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:14 am
by octav3k
All I'm seeing is "staff impersonation" over and over. What about the other 2 conditions?

And, Bioness, you need to learn to read or maybe take a logic class if you think I'm outraged at the fact that I was presumably banned and not at the fact that the GM reply to being scammed was "not our problem".

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:12 pm
by AverageJoe
octav3k wrote:All I'm seeing is "staff impersonation" over and over. What about the other 2 conditions?


Bottom couple of links. I just gave recent examples; there's many others not documented here that were handled by PMs.

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:44 pm
by Bioness
octav3k wrote:And, Bioness, you need to learn to read or maybe take a logic class if you think I'm outraged at the fact that I was presumably banned and not at the fact that the GM reply to being scammed was "not our problem".


Then add context, state what happened then explain how you think it should be improved or changed.

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:18 pm
by Xylon666Darkstar
How about OP just learns to read?

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:42 am
by octav3k
Bioness wrote:Then add context, state what happened then explain how you think it should be improved or changed.

Ok, let me spell it out to you, since it seems to be necessary:

Someone I know got scammed -> she talked to a GM to report it -> GM said they don't handle player interactions

Easy enough for you, m8?


AverageJoe wrote:Bottom couple of links. I just gave recent examples; there's many others not documented here that were handled by PMs.

Those have "staff impersonation" as their reason as well - "CoD scamming pretending to be Nostalrius staff." & "Your account was permanently suspended for staff impersonation and C.O.D scamming.".
Granted, that last one seems to have "CoD scamming" as a separate reason, but what I'm seeing so far is that the GMs don't give 2 shits about what happens to players if the person scamming them doesn't pretend to be a staff member.

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:11 pm
by Bioness
Ohhh now I see what happened.

You got scammed and are upset about it? I think it falls in the same realm as ninja looting, basically you have to be careful when dealing with certain people.

Re: Change the terms of use to be less ambiguous

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:32 pm
by octav3k
You don't say, Bioness; but if they don't give two shits about players being scammed, why do the rules say players get banned for that reason? They should change the rules to reflect reality and to avoid that false advertisement they're currently doing with "Stability and security".