Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by JCOLE » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:11 am

Be happy blizz doesn't attack Nostalrius itself. Streamers are the less of 2 evils, some servers didn't end well after blizz eavesdropped them for years, I guess this is the first indicator blizz is aware of nost and its population.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Zyrhon » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:13 am

I was kinda sure this would happen from the first time I saw someone from a private server stream on TWITCH.

Heard big streamers talk about that they wished they could play on private servers but are not allowed to do so because of twitch.

However, just stream it on another website?

Dont see the issue, this is not a big surprise tbh...
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Drain » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:31 am

Twitch, along with Youtube, are hosted in America. This means they are subject to the terrible American copyright laws that are easily abused. The private servers however are hosted "somewhere else" to avoid this problem. In Europe, the copyright laws are much more sensible. This is why they can wank on these network sites but not the server.

The reality is that Blizzard does not write the scripts in private servers. It's custom made to mimic what was originally in the game. They also don't own any of the hardware, nor pay any of the bills. They didn't even create or have anything to do with the website databases that developers and players use. Pretty much the only thing they contribute at all for a server like this is an obsolete 10 year old client that they've long since stopped selling or support. They don't sell this client anymore. They haven't in 10 years. And you definitely can't use it to play anymore through their servers, not without having it patched all the way up to current and forced to connect to realms running the newest version you don't want to play on. If you want to play Classic, they give no official or legitimate means to do so.

In other words, they need to go back to sucking on Activision's giant green dong and leave us original players alone. They've got their millions of heirloom wearing DF teleporting unicorn riding panda bears paying subs; they should be happy.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Zach » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:37 am

You people are so delusional it's fucking hilarious.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Vaelryn » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:17 am

Drain wrote:
The reality is that Blizzard does not write the scripts in private servers. It's custom made to mimic what was originally in the game. They also don't own any of the hardware, nor pay any of the bills. They didn't even create or have anything to do with the website databases that developers and players use. Pretty much the only thing they contribute at all for a server like this is an obsolete 10 year old client that they've long since stopped selling or support. They don't sell this client anymore. They haven't in 10 years.


Someone else also posted that Blizzard did not code the private server, so they don't own the server. No, they don't own the server essentially, you are correct.

But all the the 3D models, animations, sprites, soundtracks, lore, client code, and ideas (yes, believe it or not, ideas can be copyrighted), and much more, which took a HUGE amount of time and money to make, does belong to Blizzard.

I mean, if I code a game using my own code but literally everything in it is from some other party, and then I let others play it for free, then the original developer, would understandably be frustrated with me.

Is this ethical or not? That's another topic, but please stop pretending like Blizzard doesn't own their own game.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Qubism » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:33 am

The ppl that waqnna stream can do it on hitbox.tv becouse it is in the EU so blizzard cant tell them to shut down the streams.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Tekko » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:15 am

Homopete is 100% retarded.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Gonaro » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:28 am

Drain wrote:Twitch, along with Youtube, are hosted in America. This means they are subject to the terrible American copyright laws that are easily abused. The private servers however are hosted "somewhere else" to avoid this problem. In Europe, the copyright laws are much more sensible. This is why they can wank on these network sites but not the server.

The reality is that Blizzard does not write the scripts in private servers. It's custom made to mimic what was originally in the game. They also don't own any of the hardware, nor pay any of the bills. They didn't even create or have anything to do with the website databases that developers and players use. Pretty much the only thing they contribute at all for a server like this is an obsolete 10 year old client that they've long since stopped selling or support. They don't sell this client anymore. They haven't in 10 years. And you definitely can't use it to play anymore through their servers, not without having it patched all the way up to current and forced to connect to realms running the newest version you don't want to play on. If you want to play Classic, they give no official or legitimate means to do so.

In other words, they need to go back to sucking on Activision's giant green dong and leave us original players alone. They've got their millions of heirloom wearing DF teleporting unicorn riding panda bears paying subs; they should be happy.


+1

Blizz has said in more than one occasion that doesn't consider the possibility of creating a classical realm. Until then, I had never seen such bans, which may be an indication that we started to bothering. It doesnt matter, because if we have to keep in the shade of legality to have access to a quality game, so be it. I canceled my retail subscription weeks ago, and I do not regret.
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Re: Twitch banned for streaming nostalrius

by Garfunkel » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:27 am

Vaelryn wrote:
Drain wrote:
The reality is that Blizzard does not write the scripts in private servers. It's custom made to mimic what was originally in the game. They also don't own any of the hardware, nor pay any of the bills. They didn't even create or have anything to do with the website databases that developers and players use. Pretty much the only thing they contribute at all for a server like this is an obsolete 10 year old client that they've long since stopped selling or support. They don't sell this client anymore. They haven't in 10 years.


Someone else also posted that Blizzard did not code the private server, so they don't own the server. No, they don't own the server essentially, you are correct.

But all the the 3D models, animations, sprites, soundtracks, lore, client code, and ideas (yes, believe it or not, ideas can be copyrighted), and much more, which took a HUGE amount of time and money to make, does belong to Blizzard.

I mean, if I code a game using my own code but literally everything in it is from some other party, and then I let others play it for free, then the original developer, would understandably be frustrated with me.

Is this ethical or not? That's another topic, but please stop pretending like Blizzard doesn't own their own game.


Yes, exactly this. As long as the game uses art assets created by Blizzard - ANY art assets (textures, models, music, writing, etc) - they can sue for copyright and not only in US but in EU as well. In most countries, in fact.
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