Official PVE Progression Thread

[Tekko]

>getting upset over 11 year old content

gz m8y

It's not 11 years old...

Plus I think you're the only one getting mad lol.

I'm not the one with 10+ posts hating on a guild for clearing 25 year old content m8y

Just being polite and posting to the people that quote me dude.

Oh and I never hated on the guild, I hated on one individual who was acting supreme over your easy kills.

[Kerea]

Hmm...to be honest I think it's really easy to approach this situation out of perspective.

On one hand, I'm pretty jealous that they are so far ahead, and slightly miffed that realm first kills will probably continue to be way out of everyone else's reach for as long as the server lives...but on the other hand they essentially worked for that, and it's no different than when a new realm would open in vanilla times. It was not uncommon to only have one major raiding guild on one faction on some of the more boonie type servers back then.

So on the other hand, I think it's pretty bad-ass that they did it so quickly, and I think any vanilla veteran would appreciate the amount of effort they've probably put in to get there. Terms like "no-life" are so pointless to throw around imo, we all know that vanilla in and of itself took a more dedicated approach than any other version of WoW, no matter what guild you're in and no matter what content you have your sights set on. To use such phrases insultingly over this matter is to essentially show that you don't even belong on a realm like this.

So congratulations on your progress Grizzly, but please understand when I say that as much as I'm being congratulatory, it's a competitive congratulations with a toothy grin underneath, meaning I hope to get 60, get geared up soon in similar gear trying to keep up with their raid progression, and see your boys out in the yard.

This guy gets it. Someone get this man a beer.

[Zach]

Hmm...to be honest I think it's really easy to approach this situation out of perspective.

On one hand, I'm pretty jealous that they are so far ahead, and slightly miffed that realm first kills will probably continue to be way out of everyone else's reach for as long as the server lives...but on the other hand they essentially worked for that, and it's no different than when a new realm would open in vanilla times. It was not uncommon to only have one major raiding guild on one faction on some of the more boonie type servers back then.

So on the other hand, I think it's pretty bad-ass that they did it so quickly, and I think any vanilla veteran would appreciate the amount of effort they've probably put in to get there. Terms like "no-life" are so pointless to throw around imo, we all know that vanilla in and of itself took a more dedicated approach than any other version of WoW, no matter what guild you're in and no matter what content you have your sights set on. To use such phrases insultingly over this matter is to essentially show that you don't even belong on a realm like this.

So congratulations on your progress Grizzly, but please understand when I say that as much as I'm being congratulatory, it's a competitive congratulations with a toothy grin underneath, meaning I hope to get 60, get geared up soon in similar gear trying to keep up with their raid progression, and see your boys out in the yard.

This guy gets it. Someone get this man a beer.

Tekko's too busy bangin' dimes.

[Asha]

Can I mod please sticky this thread so people know if content has been cleared that will trigger the next content to unlock?

[gh05t00]

we all know that vanilla in and of itself took a more dedicated approach than any other version of WoW

I'm sorry but this is flat out wrong.

Up until Sunwell, no guild raided "crazy" hours, the top guild then Nihilium, didn't start until 5pm, then raided till around 12-1am (if that). Yes, these are still crazy hours, but people still went to their daytime job (if they had one, that slacker Kungen didn't ).

SK Gaming changed that in Sunwell, by raiding all day and all night.

These days, the top guilds put crazy effort into world firsts, Method for example raided 15 hours a day for 2 weeks to get their Blackhand kill, that's insane hours.

I think more of the point he is trying to make is getting to 60 and then getting your crafted items, consumables (i.e. Flask, potions, scrolls, buff food), rep and attunements to various raids took a great deal of effort and time in vanilla compared to WoD or other expansions. The newer bosses fights have more mechanics and take more time to figure out but the prep work done outside the raid is a joke that takes logging in 10 minutes a day to grab your herbs, ore and other mats from your garrison.

Don't get me wrong, I respect and understand the time needed to get world first in the raid. I think the problem with your comment though is that world first was not as sought after in vanilla and BC as it is now. It wasn't until, like you said, SK Gaming started raiding day and night to get world first that other guilds began to take a more extreme approach in competing for world first kills. With that being said, only a few guilds have the time and the players to maintain that drive and I interpreted Zipzo's comment in terms of the general community of players, not the 5-10 guilds that compete every new tier of content for world first.

[justclassic]

Since this topic is kinda related I wanted to leave this Thread here: Adjust Raid difficulty for blizzlike feeling!

Would like to know what those that actually ventured into MC think about this.

So far

justclassic

[Armilus]

Hmm...to be honest I think it's really easy to approach this situation out of perspective.

On one hand, I'm pretty jealous that they are so far ahead, and slightly miffed that realm first kills will probably continue to be way out of everyone else's reach for as long as the server lives...but on the other hand they essentially worked for that, and it's no different than when a new realm would open in vanilla times. It was not uncommon to only have one major raiding guild on one faction on some of the more boonie type servers back then.

So on the other hand, I think it's pretty bad-ass that they did it so quickly, and I think any vanilla veteran would appreciate the amount of effort they've probably put in to get there. Terms like "no-life" are so pointless to throw around imo, we all know that vanilla in and of itself took a more dedicated approach than any other version of WoW, no matter what guild you're in and no matter what content you have your sights set on. To use such phrases insultingly over this matter is to essentially show that you don't even belong on a realm like this.

So congratulations on your progress Grizzly, but please understand when I say that as much as I'm being congratulatory, it's a competitive congratulations with a toothy grin underneath, meaning I hope to get 60, get geared up soon in similar gear trying to keep up with their raid progression, and see your boys out in the yard.

This guy gets it. Someone get this man a beer.

Is it ok if I hate you as long as I admit that it's 100% due to jealousy?

[nervous]

Since this topic is kinda related I wanted to leave this Thread here: Adjust Raid difficulty for blizzlike feeling!

Would like to know what those that actually ventured into MC think about this.

So far

justclassic

We've already cleared MC with 8 debuff slots, and shit gear. Tuning raid HP upwards by 30% (feenix's numbers) or doing it up 50% hp and 50% more damage (scriptcrafts numbers) or even doubling the hp (that posters numbers) doesn't change anything different about the fight but instead adds a bigger gear block to raids.

Doing that will do nothing but hurt lower geared people/people not willing to farm consumables for raids and increase the gap between casual and poopsock guilds.

Wait until the more casual guilds start dipping their feet in before making any judgements about raid tuning. GRIZZLY and NOPE are not good measures to set the bar at.

[Armilus]

Wait until the more casual guilds start dipping their feet in before making any judgements about raid tuning. GRIZZLY and NOPE are not good measures to set the bar at.

This.

IMO they should wait until 2-3 guilds have cleared rag/ony before starting the timer for DM and BWL. There's at least 4-5 guilds that want to run MC pre-nerf (aka, DM and 1.4 item release) but many won't get too many raids in because they didn't have 40 people that were able to hit 60 in ~2 weeks.

Plus, I doubt the dev's expected anyone to clear MC/ony this fast.

[nervous]

This.

IMO they should wait until 2-3 guilds have cleared rag/ony before starting the timer for DM and BWL. There's at least 4-5 guilds that want to run MC pre-nerf (aka, DM and 1.4 item release) but many won't get too many raids in because they didn't have 40 people that were able to hit 60 in ~2 weeks.

Plus, I doubt the dev's expected anyone to clear MC/ony this fast.

I'd prefer it if they just kept Molten Core at pre-nerf mechanics forever and continued with the progression schedule laid out before server launch. I need my epic warlock mount and level 60 food/water.