Nostalrius or Kronos

[Hatson]

Are you trying to imply all casters kite? That would be an absurd claim if you ever played the game. That's not what I am saying or ever said, at all.
If they have frost nova and frostbolt, they might have the behaviour where they space themselves from you before casting again.
If they don't have frost nova and frostbolt, they won't be doing any of that. Because they don't have anything to root you and give them time to space themselves. So they would just do like they normally do and stand there casting spells on you.

I just linked you comments back from early 2007 talking about a caster mob with Frost Nova kiting them, what else do I need to convince you? You think multiple different people, different accounts, different times, logged on to Wowhead on that specific mob page to purposely lie that he uses frost nova to kite people?

[ozzky]

You think multiple different people, different accounts, different times, logged on to Wowhead on that specific mob page to purposely lie that he uses frost nova to kite people?

Shh shh, don't reveal the CIA FBI NSA Illuminati cover up

[Xyz]

Are you trying to imply all casters kite? That would be an absurd claim if you ever played the game. That's not what I am saying or ever said, at all.
If they have frost nova and frostbolt, they might have the behaviour where they space themselves from you before casting again.
If they don't have frost nova and frostbolt, they won't be doing any of that. Because they don't have anything to root you and give them time to space themselves. So they would just do like they normally do and stand there casting spells on you.

I just linked you comments back from early 2007 talking about a caster mob with Frost Nova kiting them, what else do I need to convince you? You think multiple different people, different accounts, different times, logged on to Wowhead on that specific mob page to purposely lie that he uses frost nova to kite people?

http://youtu.be/IyojQ31gafA?t=22s All I'm saying is this behavior is not correct.

'm not sure on the frost nova element, I would need proof to be convinced it happens though.

[Hatson]

No, that behaviour definitely isn't correct. At least not the Sarilus Foulborne clip. That's definitely modified. Like I said, I hadn't watched many Kronos videos.
Unfortunately I won't be able to try and find or dig up old footage of frost nova + frostbolt examples, because my PC just fried itself after a random power outage literally less then a 5 minutes after my previous post... No stress test or fun for me this weekend.

[clovis]

Are you trying to imply all casters kite? That would be an absurd claim if you ever played the game. That's not what I am saying or ever said, at all.
If they have frost nova and frostbolt, they might have the behaviour where they space themselves from you before casting again.
If they don't have frost nova and frostbolt, they won't be doing any of that. Because they don't have anything to root you and give them time to space themselves. So they would just do like they normally do and stand there casting spells on you.

I just linked you comments back from early 2007 talking about a caster mob with Frost Nova kiting them, what else do I need to convince you? You think multiple different people, different accounts, different times, logged on to Wowhead on that specific mob page to purposely lie that he uses frost nova to kite people?

Half right Mobs react on roots and on stuns here proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBOYeei ... 1422503916 5:40
rogue stun him and Satyr use the time to go in range.

I think most of the ppl don t understand the ai Video from kronos right because they started with a special mob Sarilus Foulborne he is the only mob(maybe it give one more mob don t know) that start already kiting you if you move in his melee range gives many proofs for that here as example one from comment bigeralx http://www.wowhead.com/npc=3986/sarilus ... ply=299831
The above poster must have been playing a caster - this guy is a NIGHTMARE for melee classes. I tried him has as a 24 warrior, having soloed mobs above my level with reasonable confidence previously, but he killed me with full health 3 times in a row. What he does is summon a bunch of the water elementals as mentioned above, then run 20-30 yards away and pelt you with frostbolts, periodically pausing to summon more elementals. The frostbolts make it very hard to chase him, and he's immune to Hamstring (and Charge). And while the elementals are weak, it is very hard to tab-select them for s

[Koopa]

I just linked you comments back from early 2007 talking about a caster mob with Frost Nova kiting them, what else do I need to convince you?

The comments both of you are linking are from 2.0 or later, so to say it is sufficient proof for 1.12 would be wrong. Additionally, scripting spells like frost nova OR NAMED NPC's to behave differently where mobs step away is one thing. Completely changing creature AI on all caster mobs is quite another.

Using the very evidence you provided I found this, "Yep, definitely NOT EASY anymore. I've done this on other toons and don't remember having any problem. This time on my level 24 druid, it took me five attempts to kill him. His level 25 elementals beat the crap out of you if you ignore them and he'll frostbolt you and run away if you get in melee range. If you spend time trying to kill the elementals, he'll just summon more".

The phrasing used here would lead me to believe the mechanics were changed in TBC, like many other individual creature mechanics.

Edit: There are many, other features that aren't blizzlike (10g respec cost, vanity pets/mounts, etc.). While there could be cause for question here, I think the general point people are making remains the same. Arguing over semantics about another server seems pointless, especially if you haven't even watch their videos to know what people are referring to.

[secondary]

I died 5 times soloing Sarilus Foulbourne on retail. Hes exactly like he ever was. Pity you guys never tried him. Was like the first OMFG experience while leveling.

You can twist and turn as much as you like, admit that a proper mob AI adds alot dynamic into PvE. This is a really important factor. Trash is a major part of vanilla and having that behave correctly is mandatory.
Otherwise you just end up beating on helpless shells like on any other generic mangos server. Is that what you want?

[Lobogo]

http://youtu.be/IyojQ31gafA?t=22s All I'm saying is this behavior is not correct.

That behavior is correct
You need to understand that only THAT ONE mob acts like that, im sorry if you never encountered him on retail, you can read the comments about him to see how ridiculous he used to be

Anyway, the other behavior, i.e. if caster mob is in combat with you and you are ROOTED (not just slowed- so nova, net, roots) the caster mob WILL (and should) run few yards so you wont be able to melee him for the duration of the root

that is indeed how it used to be on retail, and thats why rogues and warriors encountering such mobs during leveling died so often (i was the rogue, and trust me facing those mobs was a pain in the ass)

[Nain]

Look at Kronos' latest news post.. "the finishing touches". After not doing anything for a ton of time, and telling us "the dev is finishing exams," they tell us that they aren't going to be working on major fixes anymore? hm. Welp, I don't want to repeat what's going on right now with Feenix leading, but with Kronos instead, idk about you guys, but we'll see what happens.

[Azalus]

Look at Kronos' latest news post.. "the finishing touches". After not doing anything for a ton of time, and telling us "the dev is finishing exams," they tell us that they aren't going to be working on major fixes anymore? hm. Welp, I don't want to repeat what's going on right now with Feenix leading, but with Kronos instead, idk about you guys, but we'll see what happens.

First, their lead developer, Chero, had some exams in December, so yeah that was a couple weeks where he wasn't doing a lot. He's done with those and has been working on things that are publicly accessible because Kronos has an active section for bug reports on their website. He's also been much more active on the forums and can be reached on the IRC.

Second, that post doesn't say anything about not working on major fixes, if anything it says that they have all of the major stuff done, so they don't have any major fixes left to do. TO BE CLEAR, that's referring to major fixes necessary to release, they'll still be actively working on AQ and Nax, and they have said on many occasions that they know their server will never be completely finished.

I understand being on one of the two servers forums and wanting to trash the other one, but the least you could do is look into the things that you're talking about.