Unorthodox specs accepted?

[Theloras]

I remember those days when i could raid as a hybrid and there where no threat meter and boss mods.
But even though the game start at patch 1.4 in itemization. The game will always be patch 1.12.1.
That means you can never recreate the moment you might have had back in 2005 on this server.

Yes, but the min/max elitists sure try to hold on to the past as much as they can don't they?

The trolls are MUCH worse on private servers than they ever were on retail Vanilla when it came to hybrids.

[cmill78]

Theorycrafting has determined the "correct spec" for each class. I don't know where you are getting all this about WoW post-Wrath, but I don't care anyway. Raid Finder is irrelevant to this discussion, as the content is intentionally faceroll and has no relation to vanilla difficulty levels. We aren't arguing about gear, or enchants, we are arguing about if people are wrong for rolling stupid specs even knowing full well they are bad, and whining on the forums/spreading false hope. "Skill" in vanilla for several classes involves getting out of fire and pressing 1-3 buttons over and over, but again you keep changing the subject. "Skill" cannot bridge the gap between an equally geared/skilled rogue and a ret paladin, period. Even if both perform perfectly the rogue is capable of dealing much more damage, because of imbalanced class design in the original game. End of story.

You realize you contradicted yourself here when you mentioned skill to prove your point yet disprove mine? You can't even understand your own words. If a Ret paladin has skill to play the hell out of his class, he will outperform a Rogue with poor skill. SKILL can make a spec better. That has always been my point, which you kind of proved while trying to disprove........

You don't need to do dungeon runs with them, because even if they are competent at their sub-par spec you can just find a competent rogue/mage to fill their slot. If you want to help people stop confusing the issue and giving new players false hope that a progression guild will invite them with a terrible spec.

You make little sense here. So you are saying that you are inviting people to your raid guild simply because they are speced the way you want? Clearly you were not the raid/guild leader. Vanilla was unbalanced but no spec was completely unplayable in raiding for people who have skill (you remember skill? That thing you said couldn't help poor specs but can help good specs?) Perhaps you just believe a game with hundreds of different routes only has one right one. Judging by your definition of good skill this is true. It worked for you, I am glad. But telling people they are wrong and not worthy of your time because they don't play the game the way you do is not only selfishness but arrogance. Good day to you.

[aessina]

If a Ret paladin has skill to play the hell out of his class, he will outperform a Rogue with poor skill.

And if they both have average skill, huh? It's utterly wrong to imply that if someone plays hybrid, he automatically becomes a pro.

[joshbpepper]

He wasn't implying that. Youre utterly wrong haha

[cmill78]

And if they both have average skill, huh? It's utterly wrong to imply that if someone plays hybrid, he automatically becomes a pro.

Nowhere did I say (or imply) all hybrid/non-common Vanilla specs were better or equal to the most common/widely accepted raid specs. I simply told a few people to not completely write off a player who rolls the non common spec simply because they roll that spec. Just because a player wants to be an Arcane Mage or Enhancement Shaman does not mean he will be the downfall of your raid.

To clarify; if you don't want Shadow Priests or Elemental Shamans in your raid, it is your right to keep them away. However, that does not mean EVERY non-common raid spec player is garbage and not worth your time. People have raided in those specs (I am one of them) and have been extremely successful (I am one of them). A lot of the segregation may stem from poor play. Some of it may stem from not wanting to share loot with a hybrid. And some of it may also stem from players not wanting to have to put 100% into their play time and still come out with something. But not one of those things proves that every person that roles a non-common raid will suck or wipe a raid.

[MasterQuaster]

We'll talk again if you have ever seen a Classic Raid from inside! Can't hear more of your pseudo pro Rubish. Up to then I have fun trolling all people in this thread! Kappa over and out.

Holy shit aren't you obnoxious. You sound like you learned the word pseudo 1 day ago, using it in every single post of yours. Are you sure you aren't trying to sound "pseudo"intellectual? Top kek bro.

Also, there's a clear difference between trolling and being an idiot.
You are arguing about wether a guild should accept an overgeared unorthodox specced player or an undergeared optimal spec player (based on your arguement). Man that's not even a topic of this thread, it's about somewhat equally skilled/geared players when one has optimal build and the other one doesn't. Ofc a naxx geared feral druid would outdps a preraid geared rogue, but when do you even see that situation being relevant?

If you want to troll, atleast try being creative. People nowadays use the world trolling as an excuse for their stupidity and it's just annoying.

I am not a troll I am totaly serious. The problem ist that you are too sily to read. I never spoke about better geared people. We talked about same gear. But you sir, have to lear the ABC again, maybe you gonna understand what I write. And pseudo is no intellectuel word, it's just another word for wannabes. You ever thought about that I am not a native English speaker? Top kek bro!

I had in all of my raids people who doesn't play the normal spec for their class and still I succeeded all my raids but naxx.

[joshbpepper]

we need to spread awareness bout off spec discrimination. #offspecscanraid2

[Sagrido]

*Edit* Posted on my real account below, found forgotten password

[Magnifican]

This thread makes me so happy! Glad to see people speak up for the odd specs. Its a 10 year old game with 40man raids, its not like a couple of odd specs are going to break the raid or anything. Its already been proven (both in vanilla retail and pvt servers) that everything up to naxx can be done with alot of odd specs in the raid composition. I think people also forget that blizz had a different design view on hybrids back in vanilla. Sure a hybrid could never be equal to a pure dps class, but they brought utility and buffs that actually made the pure dps classes doing even more dps because of them hybrids being there. In 40man enviroment there was room for those. This design obviously had some flaws like most things in vanilla and was changed in BC and hybrids became viable "on their own" so to speak.

Question: How does it work for shadowpriest with the 8slot debuff limit? Do we not pick up Shadow Weaving at all or what? Some say its impossible to have spriests until 16 slot. What you guys think, should I simply hold off with my priest until 16 gets introduced?

[Orthodoxy]

This thread makes me so happy! Glad to see people speak up for the odd specs. Its a 10 year old game with 40man raids, its not like a couple of odd specs are going to break the raid or anything. Its already been proven (both in vanilla retail and pvt servers) that everything up to naxx can be done with alot of odd specs in the raid composition. I think people also forget that blizz had a different design view on hybrids back in vanilla. Sure a hybrid could never be equal to a pure dps class, but they brought utility and buffs that actually made the pure dps classes doing even more dps because of them hybrids being there. In 40man enviroment there was room for those. This design obviously had some flaws like most things in vanilla and was changed in BC and hybrids became viable "on their own" so to speak.

Question: How does it work for shadowpriest with the 8slot debuff limit? Do we not pick up Shadow Weaving at all or what? Some say its impossible to have spriests until 16 slot. What you guys think, should I simply hold off with my priest until 16 gets introduced?

You will not make it into the raids of any halfway decent guild as a shadow priest with the current 8 debuff limit, unless the GM is your best friend or something and they feel like carrying you. It literally makes no sense to bring you over a Mage, Mage is easy to be decent at, and they are all over this server. Also, you will be competing for gear with classes that will pull 2x your dps, which will make you very unpopular. Just the straight truth.