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Re: Post 1.4 discrepencies here for consolidated list.

by Xethra » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:52 am

Uzephi wrote:"Most of the non-class set items that dropped from Molten Core and Onyxia have had their effective levels increased, resulting in higher DPS weapons, and/or better stats and effects."

https://web.archive.org/web/20050901080 ... 04-19.html
Patch 1.4 dated 5/5/2005

"The following item sets have had their statistics, effects, and set bonuses updated: Arcanist, Netherwind, Prophecy, Transcendence, Felheart, Nemesis, Cenarion, Stormrage, Nightslayer, Bloodfang, Giantstalker, Dragonstalker, Earthfury, Ten Storms, Might, Wrath, Lawbringer, and Judgement."

https://web.archive.org/web/20060911150 ... 06-07.html
Patch 1.5 dated 6/7/2005

I guess we are still on 1.4 itemization instead of 1.5? 1.5 had AV release, so I would assume we are on 1.5 itemization.

For future reference, staff doesn't follow db.vanillagaming when doing a progressive release, web archive is where it is at. Bookmark the below link then just change it to the item ID and it will find relevant dates. you are looking for a difference from April 2005 to June 2005 for the difference.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050411075 ... item=16908


The stats should be 1.5, since AV is out. As for using web.archive.org of wow.allakhazam as the source, I can swap to using that, makes no difference to me but there's flaws in using that too.

I understand that it's not easy to get things 100% accurate based off of archived content because the specific date you want to check wasn't archived. For instance in Bloodfang Pants... the archive jumps from March 18, 2005 https://web.archive.org/web/20050318171 ... item=16909 to February 6th, 2006 https://web.archive.org/web/20060206070 ... item=16909. I can't go (unless I'm just using this archive incorrectly) to June 7th, 2005 and look up each item individually.
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Re: Post 1.4 discrepencies here for consolidated list.

by Xethra » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:10 am

Uzephi wrote:For future reference, staff doesn't follow db.vanillagaming when doing a progressive release, web archive is where it is at. Bookmark the below link then just change it to the item ID and it will find relevant dates. you are looking for a difference from April 2005 to June 2005 for the difference.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050411075 ... item=16908


The more I look into it the more I understand now why this is the case. I am going back through and fixing all the links to be from the web.archive.

For those who may be wondering, db.vanillagaming.org has stats on items that are 1.12. That being said, some of the items remained the same after patch 1.5. Some changed. Example: Fang of the Mystics (Azuregos) did not receive it's 40 spell damage until after patch 1.10. However db.vanillagaming.org shows it having 40 spell damage.

Once I get this all consolidated (plus whatever anyone else adds to the list) I will put it in a bugtracker and push it forward.
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Re: Post 1.4 discrepencies here for consolidated list.

by Uzephi » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:19 am

Xethra wrote:The stats should be 1.5, since AV is out. As for using web.archive.org of wow.allakhazam as the source, I can swap to using that, makes no difference to me but there's flaws in using that too.

I understand that it's not easy to get things 100% accurate based off of archived content because the specific date you want to check wasn't archived. For instance in Bloodfang Pants... the archive jumps from March 18, 2005 https://web.archive.org/web/20050318171 ... item=16909 to February 6th, 2006 https://web.archive.org/web/20060206070 ... item=16909. I can't go (unless I'm just using this archive incorrectly) to June 7th, 2005 and look up each item individually.


Still more accurate than db.vanilla gaming, like in your OP check below item for original stats from 2005.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050919040 ... item=17068 correct with server.

Xethra wrote:Additional Items with wrong stats: - Some are minor but still incorrect.
The Immovable Object - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19321 [Current stats are http://imgur.com/SEUOae9 ]
Bonereaver's Edge - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=17076 [Item also missing +16 Stamina on PVP server]
Deathbringer - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=17068 [110 - 140 Shadow Damage, should be 110-141]
Ring of Binding - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=18813 [Currently +6 defense, should be +4]
Heavy Dark Iron Ring - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=18879 [Currently +8 defense, should be +5]
The Lobotomizer - http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19324 [Currently 200-300 damage, should be 200-301]


"in my onyxia group, a mage won this item
all warriors, paladins think it is a junk, only 1 mage willing to roll for it

but this ring will get nerf on patch 1.7 (Def down to 4 from 6)

it is also a good ring for caster IMO"
https://web.archive.org/web/20051228100 ... m/?i=37339

https://web.archive.org/web/20050824215 ... item=18879 Heavy Dark Iron ring did have 8 Def on it for awhile.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060216135 ... item=19324 Lobotomizer is correct, db isn't.
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Re: Post 1.4/1.5 discrepancies here for consolidated list.

by Xethra » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:29 am

Yeah I'm going back through my post, just takes time. Thank you for pointing how flawed it can be as a source.
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Re: Post 1.4/1.5 discrepancies here for consolidated list.

by Uzephi » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:12 am

Xethra wrote:Yeah I'm going back through my post, just takes time. Thank you for pointing how flawed it can be as a source.


Anytime. I think the immovable object is correct. I am still doing some research on it for you.

Edit: well, couldn't find anything in patch notes and all archives show 2006 and up, nothing from 2005 and all news articles I was trying to find reference weren't archived, so they are lost in time as well.
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Re: Post 1.4 discrepencies here for consolidated list.

by Xethra » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:15 am

GabeN wrote:Bonereaver's Edge had its +16 stamina removed.


BRE didn't have 16 stamina in 1.5.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050817175 ... item=17076

Technically it's still wrong due to it's proc, but this is the part for the 16 Stamina.
"Being upgraded in this 1.10 patch.
It will add Stamina (dont remember how much, somewhere between 10 and 20)
Instead of the proc sundering, its a self-buff that ignores 700 of your enemies's armor for a duration.
Yes it keeps the 1% Crit"

iefbr14 wrote:Blue ring "Rosewine Circle" (drop from Doomhowl in LBRS) has no stats at all now.


Patch 1.7 Stats (furthest back I could reach)
https://web.archive.org/web/20050901193 ... item=13178

Patch 1.10 Stats
https://web.archive.org/web/20071030140 ... item=13178
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Re: Post 1.4/1.5 discrepancies here for consolidated list.

by Soulxlock » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:30 am

Thanks for the list, good work. Can someone with access to the bugtracker link to this thread in the ticket:

NBT #4670 MC loot update - along with many other items [PVE]
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=4670
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Re: Post 1.4 discrepencies here for consolidated list.

by iefbr14 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:31 am

Xethra wrote:
iefbr14 wrote:Blue ring "Rosewine Circle" (drop from Doomhowl in LBRS) has no stats at all now.


I checked the PVP server and it has no stats either. Can you provide some proof to the change in 1.4?


:mrgreen: You did clear your WDB cache before checking, right? :mrgreen:

Anyway, before Sunday it had +16 SPI and +7 AGI. Now it has no stats at all - which obviously cannot be correct.

I see a post in the Nost PVP forum from Jul 18 2015 that also is wondering why that item suddenly has no stats. So looks like Nost broke this item in the AV patch and never has fixed it - even on the PVP server. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16771

This link from webarchive may indicate that the +MP5 and +HEAL on the ring came in 1.10. https://web.archive.org/web/20071030140235/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=13178

In any case, it should definitely have +16 SPI and +7 AGI - instead of nothing at all... and hopefully MP5/HEAL stats in the 1.10 patch.


edit: I just read your post (above) after hitting submit on my post -- where you basically said the same thing I said. :D
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Re: Post 1.4/1.5 discrepancies here for consolidated list.

by sirael7 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:37 am

I recommend reading this post you can see the correct stats for each patch on most of the sets there. (Scroll down a bit)

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16607

We should be on the 1.5 section right now.
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Re: Post 1.4/1.5 discrepancies here for consolidated list.

by Xethra » Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:44 am

sirael7 wrote:I recommend reading this post you can see the correct stats for each patch on most of the sets there. (Scroll down a bit)

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16607

We should be on the 1.5 section right now.


These line up for with respective links that I posted for the most of these items, editing out those of which these links conflict with. However, since this is consolidated for each set I will use these links on top of the individual pieces.

As I stated earlier, some of the items (Tier 1 specifically) have had their stats changed. For example:

T1 Shaman

Updated
Head
Shoulders
Chest

Not Updated
Bracers
Gloves
Belt
Legs
Boots

Also within that same post - https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 07#p105546
Still trying to track down this specific post from Viper. Edit: Found it - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16591

Viper wrote:Here is a more complete list of what is going to be added and changed for the next upcoming content release:
[list]
[*]Alterac Valley release, including reputation items & quests,
[*]Global rework on existing items,
[*]New items for the following instances: Stratholme & Scholomance,
[*]New items for the following raids: Molten Core, Onyxia, Azuregos & Kazzak
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