Getting banned for herbing

[Bazinga]

Btw, better don't pick up ghost mushrooms in hinterlands. They should spawn only inside caves, but at moment they also spawn outside. So it's a bug and gathering them probably bannable.

[hellvik]

People getting a permaban for this? That's insane. It's like getting the death penalty for stealing someones care. Cruel and unusual punishment. Give them their account back please. Just use this as a warning.

Next time whisper them and ask if they understand your language first, see if they respond, then tell them to stop exploiting "or else..." and go from there. I saw people claiming that you warned with red text but not everyone keeps an eye on chat while out in the world, especially when looking around for enemies who will possibly attack / gank them and other things.

Give their accounts back.

Nope! Their bans are going to stay for sure, and they deserve it.

this is funny because you are violating the terms of use on twitch by streaming this server!


what a hypocrite !

[hellvik]

People getting a permaban for this? That's insane. It's like getting the death penalty for stealing someones care. Cruel and unusual punishment. Give them their account back please. Just use this as a warning.

Next time whisper them and ask if they understand your language first, see if they respond, then tell them to stop exploiting "or else..." and go from there. I saw people claiming that you warned with red text but not everyone keeps an eye on chat while out in the world, especially when looking around for enemies who will possibly attack / gank them and other things.

Give their accounts back.

People got banned for mining in Silithus because the GMs decided the nodes weren't behaving properly. Little to none of the Silithus miners knew they were doing anything wrong, but five people got banned anyway. If the GMs will ban for that, then you'll bet your ass they'll permaban people for this, as it's actually a super-obvious exploit. TOU states major exploits are permabans. Don't act so retarded and outraged over something so black and white.

people got ban for 2 gold worth of ores and the GM says that reached a threshold of abusing and and others who got 2-6 lotus never got ban and got a chance to remove the items now tell me in any way if that is fair?

[hellvik]

Anyone who got banned for this deserved it. Yes it wasn't their fault that the nodes were bugged but it was clear as day that this wasn't intended. To think you were doing anything but exploiting this bug is just naive. The GMs even issued a system messaged saying that anyone caught abusing this bug would be banned.

not all cases are the same but still the ban hammer didn't hit everyone who tried the bug

[hellvik]

They did tell people to stop, the whole server received a big RED block of text stating there was an issue, and to continue any actions involving the issue would result in a perm. ban.
Majority of people did in fact stop right there, some deleted items - others opened GM tickets asking what should they do.
Some people got GM response, stating they should delete those items.
Others still had GM tickets open awaiting response when they were banned - they were never told of the message or given opportunity to delete.
This scenario probably covers 50% of the ban reviews, simply they did not have the same fair opportunity to make it right - this simple difference is not worthy of a perm ban on accounts who are either new, or even had 50+ days played.

They made a statement which basically means "Exploit this and you will get banned"
They didn't say "Stop now and you will not get banned" so they didn't go against their own words by banning people as someone mentioned before.

Regardless of how you wanna justify people's stupidty it still boils down to this, when you exploit shit you run the risk of getting permbanned instantly. You are not entitled to a slap on the wrist first.
It's super easy to feel remorse after you have been caught.

FYI people who got less than a fixed threshold never got the ban so people who picked up expensive herbs never got the ban and for others who keep trying to find a normal nod still got ban banning people for low costing items which I think is a total BS. Also it is unfair for some people who got the ban hammer even though they stopped way before any system massage and opened tickets to report the bug. also in many cases it seemed like item value didn't have an effect on the ban decision and nost staff said the ban wave took place to keep the server economy from crashing hmmmm well what is the reason for the price drop in black lotus from 60g to 40g on horde side.

for example I myself when to wintersprieng before the restart hoping to gather some black lotus when the server got back up I got the first one and was walking away when it respawn in the same spot so I went for it agin and when it didn't despawn I asked my friend on TS is that normal since it was my first time getting a black lotus and he told me that he was having the same bug when he was mining but he stopped and opened a ticket and advised me to do the same to report the but shortly after that the system massage came and we both logged off since I got back on he was ban and I was greeted by a GM asking me if still have the items and told me to keep the first one I picked and destroy the rest which I got the chance to do.

[Snautz]

FYI people who got less than a fixed threshold never got the ban so people who picked up expensive herbs never got the ban and for others who keep trying to find a normal nod still got ban banning people for low costing items which I think is a total BS. Also it is unfair for some people who got the ban hammer even though they stopped way before any system massage and opened tickets to report the bug. also in many cases it seemed like item value didn't have an effect on the ban decision and nost staff said the ban wave took place to keep the server economy from crashing hmmmm well what is the reason for the price drop in black lotus from 60g to 40g on horde side.

for example I myself when to wintersprieng before the restart hoping to gather some black lotus when the server got back up I got the first one and was walking away when it respawn in the same spot so I went for it agin and when it didn't despawn I asked my friend on TS is that normal since it was my first time getting a black lotus and he told me that he was having the same bug when he was mining but he stopped and opened a ticket and advised me to do the same to report the but shortly after that the system massage came and we both logged off since I got back on he was ban and I was greeted by a GM asking me if still have the items and told me to keep the first one I picked and destroy the rest which I got the chance to do.

Why is that BS? They had to make some kind of threshold for them to determine if it was intentionally abused by someone.
I highly doubt anyone was thinking "Whoops this shit is clearly bugged, I better go use my bug-abuse quota on some expensive herbs instead"

Why do you think it's unfair that people who stopped before the system message still got banned? so what you're saying is people are innocent untill someone reminds them what they're doing is illegal? Imagine if we applied that logic to the real world. Ignorance isn't an excuse m8.

Btw, if you paid attention you would know the price drop is mostly linked with the new dynamic respawn system.

[Plask]

FYI people who got less than a fixed threshold never got the ban so people who picked up expensive herbs never got the ban and for others who keep trying to find a normal nod still got ban banning people for low costing items which I think is a total BS. Also it is unfair for some people who got the ban hammer even though they stopped way before any system massage and opened tickets to report the bug. also in many cases it seemed like item value didn't have an effect on the ban decision and nost staff said the ban wave took place to keep the server economy from crashing hmmmm well what is the reason for the price drop in black lotus from 60g to 40g on horde side.

I'm pretty sure I saw a post somewhere that players banned for mining/herbing before the sysmessage could make an appeal for their case

[Rashgar]

People got banned for mining in Silithus because the GMs decided the nodes weren't behaving properly. Little to none of the Silithus miners knew they were doing anything wrong, but five people got banned anyway. If the GMs will ban for that, then you'll bet your ass they'll permaban people for this, as it's actually a super-obvious exploit. TOU states major exploits are permabans. Don't act so retarded and outraged over something so black and white.

Stop bullshitting, you and others who were industrial farming Ooze covered thorium knew very well that those things were bugged and had fixed respawn rate, only reason people werent on forums spamming about it like with latest exploit is because only few people knew about it and Nost GMs decided to ban only few of those people in silence.

[ismackyeinthegabber]

People got banned for mining in Silithus because the GMs decided the nodes weren't behaving properly. Little to none of the Silithus miners knew they were doing anything wrong, but five people got banned anyway. If the GMs will ban for that, then you'll bet your ass they'll permaban people for this, as it's actually a super-obvious exploit. TOU states major exploits are permabans. Don't act so retarded and outraged over something so black and white.

Stop bullshitting, you and others who were industrial farming Ooze covered thorium knew very well that those things were bugged and had fixed respawn rate, only reason people werent on forums spamming about it like with latest exploit is because only few people knew about it and Nost GMs decided to ban only few of those people in silence.

The problem there is that there is strong evidence that the Ooze coverend thorium veins didnt behave like other veins in retail. In fact they had a FIXED respawntimer therefore it was legitimate to farm them on a 45min timer. Nothing exploited there.

[Tinkertown]

FYI people who got less than a fixed threshold never got the ban

Cool. I've been trying to get this information. What are you basing this statement on? What was the threshold? How was it calculated? (i.e how did they distinguish between legitimate herbing/mining and exploiting during this period?)

If you have decent answers to any of these questions even if only intervals/approximations I'd appreciate it. Base data is also good such as 20 items = ban, 5 = no ban.