How i got screwed over by my guild (rant, tips for newbies)

[ste]

Funny he doesn't give the player name, just guild name.. sounds like he has something against the guild. And he lied about that player being officer and he admitted to being drunk... Dude, you don't deserve the money back!

He gives the names like 4 posts up from yours.

[Norjak]

the guild should not condom its own members

Solid advice - no guild should ever condom it's own members.

[ravensareblack]

Funny he doesn't give the player name, just guild name.. sounds like he has something against the guild. And he lied about that player being officer and he admitted to being drunk... Dude, you don't deserve the money back!

Here ya go.

I did not want to list any names because even though i was screwed, it seemed unfair to attract attention to these players. It was a mistake to even mention the guild's name, true, i guess my intentions weren't 100% honest, but i'm sure that if i had omitted the name, the lying defense force would come in full power the same way it came now, and just for that, i will here state the name of several players involved, just in case people want to know. The player who got the gold was a lv60 warrior named "Caty", the officers who did close to no action were "Eldarathian" and "Chraa". One of the officers i attempted to contact after getting ignored by the mentioned above is "Iliketostab", i only asked him to check if there is any plan to repay my gold and his response was "i'm only rogue class leader man, it's between you and him". Now, we could argue that their faulty lies solely in their inability to act, but seeing as the amount of gold is quite hefty it does not lessen the damage for me.

This has now turned into a real drama, but i had to point out that i had nothing to hide nor a reason to lie. After 3 days no one has offered to help me in any way, instead i'm getting "none of our business" replies, which in my book are as good as "go f*** yourself". Now i'm not a social player, i don't visit the forums, this is my second post here, i only once posted about some quest or something, and it is by no means a cry as i have nothing to gain by it nor can i achieve a satisfactory conclusion, it is, like i said, a lesson to all players out there who invest their valuable time into this game, or are planning to, there are some serious conclusions to draw from this entire story, a story i wish i could have read before i started playing.

I would be a bit worried about getting banned now for mentioning people's names, i know Blizzard had a strong policy against that, don't know if that's the case here, but seeing that i logged in 20 minutes in the last two days after playing 3 or more hours each day for the past two months i'm just willing to take that chance.

Thank You, and good luck!

[grantis2]

I guess so much for a Merry Christmas, man. Well, I still wish you one whether or not you're having one. Stay happy, bro.

[Rashgar]

Caty - Female Human warrior

Kek its always the female human players

[Eldarathian]

Case Study: One day, after work, two colleages, C and K go out to have a beer. K hands C a wallet without saying a word or asking for anything in return.

Question 1: You are C. Knowing that you're broke, would you spend some of the money? How would you react if your colleague asked for the money back later?

Question 2: You are K. You have no idea why you gave C the wallet the day before, but now you want it back. The problem is, he claims to have spent most of the money and isn't willing to give it back. Do you ...

1. Run to the manager of another department, expecting him to help you solve your problem
2. Run to your boss, expecting him to help you solve your problem
3. Contemplate why this was a terrible idea, consider the money lost, and decide you won't be handling
   money while drunk the next time

Question 3: You are the boss. K comes complaining that he gave C lots of money for fun, and now C can't give it back because he's spent it. You listen to both of their stories. You have no information about this entire incident, except for what they told you. Some of the claims contradict each other. Both C and K have been performing well lately, there have been no complaints about either of them before. Do you ...

1. Fire C
2. Fire K
3. Fire both C and K
4. Sit back and have a laugh while taking another sip of cognac, stating I have better things to do
5. Have a talk with C and try to work out an agreement that is favourable for both C and K
6. Shake your head in disapproval, then go back to your office and think about who you'll be taking for the next business trip

Question 4: You are K. Your boss agreed to have a word with C, and as a result, C is offering to repay you 2/3 of the original amount right now, and the rest when he gets his next paycheck. Do you ...

1. Reject the offer, then go online and rant about how much this company sucks
2. Reject the offer, then threaten to have C jailed for money laundering
3. Reject the offer, calling it a joke
4. Reject the offer, state that everyone who works there is a scumbag, and insist that noone's taking action to solve your problems
5. Reject the offer, then resign immediately
6. All of the above
7. None of the above
8. Accept the offer and feel relieved that it mostly turned out just fine

Now, to get more serious. First things first: as it's already been pointed out, Caty isn't an Officer (in fact, not even a Class Leader), he never was. He's a Raider, the same rank you were before you /gquit. I could hardly imagine anyone being with a guild for almost two months and still not knowing who the Officers are, so I'm tempted to believe you just made that up to make your case look more serious, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt on this one.

As you have already admitted, you gave him that gold willingly, for fun (whatever that means, quoting one of your whispers), without him promising anything in exchange for the money. In World of Warcraft, all trades are final, you should have considered that. Being drunk does not change the fact that you are still fully responsible for your actions and their consequences. For me, the story would normally end here, but since 1500g is quite a bit, and you kept asking, I figured I'd be nice and investigate. Caty told me you didn't ask for the money back until the next day, and to date you haven't shown me any screenshots or other proof refuting said claims (you're the complainant here, so I would expect you to be the one to prove your statement).
Notwithstanding that, I had further talks with Caty, who offered to pay back 1000g then, and the rest later, in installments after the winter holidays. Taking into account that he had already spent most of the money by then, and that it is not easy to farm gold as a Protection Warrior, I considered this a fair offer. When I told you about it, you outright refused, saying that it was a joke, and that you wanted all your money back, right there, right now. At one point you even wanted additional gold for the money you lost (what?). Seeing how your actual request was unsatisfiable, I gave up, in hopes that you'd re-evaluate the situation and accept the offer once you've calmed down. You know, when you're negotiating, you're supposed to be flexible about your demands to a certain degree. If someone wants A and you want B, and you stubbornly stick to B, you're pretty unlikely to reach an agreement, especially if that someone incapable of fulfilling demand B.

I personally never told you to f*** off, nor to go f*** yourself, and I'm quite convinced that neither did the other Officers. Yes, I did tell you that it was your fault, and I uphold that opinion. Yes, I did /ignore you after you whispered me following:

(...) i spoke to a GM, if I admit to gold selling both his and mine accounts will get perma banned along with anyone we have traded with in the last few days (...)

That was just... so low I won't even comment on it.

since you left the guild this is no longer a guild issue, and you're just gonna accept it that you lost the gold

Who said that?

In addition, I'd like to point out that Iliketostab's reaction was appropriate, given the circumstances. You're a Warlock, Caty's a Warrior, and Iliketostab is the Class Leader for the Rogues. He had no authority to make decisions about either of you. Just curious, what further action(s) were you expecting us to take? Are you aware of the fact that removing Caty from the guild would reduce your chances of ever seeing your money even further?

Also, I don't appreciate your calling our members a lying defense force. I hereby invite you to challenge anything about my version of the story. Good luck.

In all honesty and sincerety, I tried to do my best to help you out, even though I did not, and still do not agree with you. I'm sorry if it didn't feel like it and if it didn't turn out the way you wanted it. I wish you the best in your future adventures.

[Böw]

Not as good as my guild related shitstorm thread

4/10

you tried

[Halcyon702]

Not as good as my guild related shitstorm thread

4/10

you tried

Vanilla Immersion experience achieved with that drama bomb

[Sharax]

If an offer of reparations was made (1,000g, plus instalments), then that should suffice. If this was the case, then to omit this fact from the original post is low class and disengenous.

The Court of Public Opinion has swung to the guild pending rebuttal by OP.

[Kiraxx]

The Court of Public Opinion has swung to the guild pending rebuttal by OP.

You Sir are pure awesome, i giggled like a schoolgirl in love, i bow to you.

I have never spoken to any of the GMs, as people pointed to me that there's nothing to be done in these cases as the gold was not stolen, but willingly traded. If i did say something of the sort, i was probably pissed, which is understandable. I certainly did not want more than i had lost, i earned my gold, never waited for handouts, have some measure when making things up. It was a mistake to write 1500 in the topic, since it was 1 495, i owed him 5 before that, i guess i am a liar too.

You admitted to the two facts, player admitted to taking the gold, you did close to no action to settle the things. Well, i'm lying again, 100g each week was a decent offer, i would have gotten my gold back in mid April, how foolish was i not to accept such a generous offer...

Now bring Caty in, let's see his spin on the story. I probably dreamt all of this, it was he who has given me 1500 gold, but is too kind and decent to say it was so. My guilty consciousness split into two when i had no sleep, one that went on living in the real world, and this one that started spouting lies on a wow forum... Now i'm worried, honestly.

Sarcasm, truly the lowest form of wit, i'm ashamed.

Thank You, and Merry Christmas!