BLIZZARD RESPONDS - BLUE POST

[Silverbeast]

So, that means no database and source code release? Damn, I will loose my char. Please Viper and Daemon, give us the option for the release data.

[r00ty]

Here's to hoping that the Nost Team doesn't bend the knee and go along with this ludicrous "pristine" idea which sounds to me as if it's a Legion build, but with a filter on it.

My honest opinion based on the Blizzard post and what's been going on?

The Pristine servers will be Blizzard's provision. They COULD do a lot better than that with even a small amount of development time, what they propose isn't even a mere shadow of what's asked for. They could truly integrate the older features into the current client (optional download of old base maps/instance maps and enhancement of the hotfix functions, and a fair bit of work to bring it all together). But, they don't want to do that, probably because it would be a true admission of defeat.

If I had to guess on what comes next.. I'd say, Pristine servers on Blizzard servers, and maybe a nod to Nostalrius (officially or not) that they won't take any action, or they will actually license them to provide legacy server services. I didn't think I'd ever be saying this and just a couple of weeks ago it seemed like such a far-fetched unlikely scenario. But, at the moment that's what I'd put some money on.

[Shinigamy]

Here's to hoping that the Nost Team doesn't bend the knee and go along with this ludicrous "pristine" idea which sounds to me as if it's a Legion build, but with a filter on it.

Wait wait: Read this friend, and comment back (please);

2.The "Pristine Servers" - I'd love to play on them, IF they make some changes: difficulties (mobs/bosses/radis etc) as they were in vanilla; not being able to kill 10 mobs solo; make the game more balanced - change some talents/abilites etc. LISTEN - the game (vanilla in the state that it is right now) is IMBALANCED! For example: ROGUES? Fck em! I can't beat them if I am not gonna drink a lot of potions, etc + they can keep you perma-stun and shi*T and you can't do anything to stop that! But it's not just the case. Some classes waste a lot of mana just to kill one mob - for example : leveling a priest is like a "horror movie". Also: they should keep the talent trees, etc but of course, change them. For example: I am playing as an ehnhancement shaman: do you know how fu*ked the enhancement talent tree is? I have TANK-ish "talents" that I dont need and that none of the shammys need. Also: enhancement shamans in the curren state of vanilla wow are useless in raids... So yeah I AM UP for those Pristine Servers if they could make things balanced!

What do you think about that, eh? I don't think that they are a "bad thing". Vanilla WoW is rly imbalanced in terms of PvE/PvP. For example alliance characters have better "racials" for PvE-ing etc! They should implement some things from retail that's for sure! Don't you agree? I can say hundereds of more things about that. and in the end you will say: Oh, I agree with you ! I am pretty sure pal!

[Asshard]

wait u guys rly want to give money to blizzard again ? Screw them; host Nost' from Russia with real admins and not faggots ty

[r00ty]

2.The "Pristine Servers" - I'd love to play on them, IF they make some changes: difficulties (mobs/bosses/radis etc) as they were in vanilla; not being able to kill 10 mobs solo; make the game more balanced - change some talents/abilites etc. LISTEN - the game (vanilla in the state that it is right now) is IMBALANCED! For example: ROGUES? Fck em! I can't beat them if I am not gonna drink a lot of potions, etc + they can keep you perma-stun and shi*T and you can't do anything to stop that! But it's not just the case. Some classes waste a lot of mana just to kill one mob - for example : leveling a priest is like a "horror movie". Also: they should keep the talent trees, etc but of course, change them. For example: I am playing as an ehnhancement shaman: do you know how fu*ked the enhancement talent tree is? I have TANK-ish "talents" that I dont need and that none of the shammys need. Also: enhancement shamans in the curren state of vanilla wow are useless in raids... So yeah I AM UP for those Pristine Servers if they could make things balanced!

That's your opinion. The majority of people that played on Nostalrius and indeed want legacy servers I'd say want it all. Yeah PvP imbalance was a problem... But it always has been, and without looking at WoD I bet it still is! The difficulty, needing to drink between kills. That was part of the game and actually personally one of the parts I'd like them to keep.

It's opinion vs opinion. But mine is that Pristine servers are nothing even close to what's being requested.

[Arx_1]

If I had to guess on what comes next.. I'd say, Pristine servers on Blizzard servers, and maybe a nod to Nostalrius (officially or not) that they won't take any action, or they will actually license them to provide legacy server services.

Brack only said that they are "talking with" some of the Nostalrius admins. We may be reading too much here between the lines. Brack may, after all, have chosen to add that just to appease us.

However, we also have the Tweet from Nostalrius where they declared that they are working on something new for the fans.

Either way, MMO Champion trolls win and we lose. We got nothing and Blizzard remained firm on telling us to "fuck off".

[Shinigamy]

2.The "Pristine Servers" - I'd love to play on them, IF they make some changes: difficulties (mobs/bosses/radis etc) as they were in vanilla; not being able to kill 10 mobs solo; make the game more balanced - change some talents/abilites etc. LISTEN - the game (vanilla in the state that it is right now) is IMBALANCED! For example: ROGUES? Fck em! I can't beat them if I am not gonna drink a lot of potions, etc + they can keep you perma-stun and shi*T and you can't do anything to stop that! But it's not just the case. Some classes waste a lot of mana just to kill one mob - for example : leveling a priest is like a "horror movie". Also: they should keep the talent trees, etc but of course, change them. For example: I am playing as an ehnhancement shaman: do you know how fu*ked the enhancement talent tree is? I have TANK-ish "talents" that I dont need and that none of the shammys need. Also: enhancement shamans in the curren state of vanilla wow are useless in raids... So yeah I AM UP for those Pristine Servers if they could make things balanced!

That's your opinion. The majority of people that played on Nostalrius and indeed want legacy servers I'd say want it all. Yeah PvP imbalance was a problem... But it always has been, and without looking at WoD I bet it still is! The difficulty, needing to drink between kills. That was part of the game and actually personally one of the parts I'd like them to keep.

It's opinion vs opinion. But mine is that Pristine servers are nothing even close to what's being requested.

No, you dont get me dude. I don't want "potions"to be gone or something. I also enjoy that, believe me! But yeah, some things on retail are still imbalanced, that's for sure. BUT all I am trying to say is: bring back vanilla, with the difficulties it has, but change some things like :talents, abilites, etc. For example: my earth shock does a high amount of threat. It is pretty useless in raids, and that is my main spell that deals a lot of damage! But I can't use it. Enhancement shamans were designed to be "tanks" back in the day. Why ? Because allys had paladins and warriors. And what about vanilla wow ? THE ONLY TANK is the warrior. Paladins are just some off-tanks and that's all!

They should make and change a lot of things, believe me. I've grown enough to see that. It's not just because people "were feeling the nostalgia". It's not just that. It's because of the SOCIAL element, believe me. And that stuff does not exist in retail as we know.

I can say more things pal. Believe me I can. but yeah i don't want the spells from retail for classes and so on. I just want them (Blizz) to "change the current spells/talents from vanilla" to be more balanced.

Because there are classes that are pretty much useless in raids and so no. And it's not only that. They should change the visual effect of some spells, too.

Another example: let them change the duration from Blessing of might buff from 5 to 30 minutes! Let them change the duration of Windfury wep/rockbitter etc from 5 to 30 ! It's pretty irritating to do that the whole time.

These are the changes I want. not retail "spells"and bullshit

I hope you get me now

[Gray9010]

Pristine servers will be shit and when it fails, they'll point to it and say "hey turns out you didn't even want it lol".

We wanted vanilla, perhaps they should study that shit instead of this surface-deep shenanigans and make steps towards it in the future, but for now, we still want Nost.

[Shinigamy]

... yeah right. Listen... you're gonna play on vanilla/TBC/WoTLK servers, for... let's say? 2 to 3 years? Then, what? Hah... This is the right way, believe me: Pristine servers are the best idea. But as I said: they SHOULD only implement some things that are going to make vanilla wow a lil bit more balanced in terms of spells/talents. And may be some other things. But nothing more! Because after a while, you're gonna get bored and you're gonna stop. And this will happen, eventually. Believe me. For example, I've played TBC on retail, and I don't even "give a damn" about it. I had enough of TBC back in the days. Proly same thing will happen when I beat vanilla end game... but yeah. We'll see.

For now, have a nice day guys, and do not fight.

Godspeed and gl to every1.

[r00ty]

... yeah right. Listen... you're gonna play on vanilla/TBC/WoTLK servers, for... let's say? 2 to 3 years? Then, what? Hah... This is the right way, believe me: Pristine servers are the best idea. But as I said: they SHOULD only implement some things that are going to make vanilla wow a lil bit more balanced in terms of spells/talents. And may be some other things. But nothing more! Because after a while, you're gonna get bored and you're gonna stop. And this will happen, eventually. Believe me. For example, I've played TBC on retail, and I don't even "give a damn" about it. I had enough of TBC back in the days. Proly same thing will happen when I beat vanilla end game... but yeah. We'll see.

For now, have a nice day guys, and do not fight.

Godspeed and gl to every1.

I don't agree. If they want to, Blizzard can do this right. It WOULD take a bit of development investment, but let's face it game devs are cheap. Everyone doing a ComSci degree now seems to want to be one, and supply is surely greater than demand. So, I don't buy that they can't afford it.

What I mean is, they could bake into the current client, the older features. Old talent trees, old spells, old itemization, etc etc. Optionally download old base maps if you want to play on legacy servers (tick box in the options). New tab(s) for legacy servers. Maybe they could charge a small amount more per month to gain access even. Hell I'd pay.

In that way they could make progression servers. Ones that start as Vanilla, run through the major content patches (patching up the client via hotfix data) eventually moving to BC, at which point they also start a new set of vanilla realms to replace them. That way, everyone has a choice to play any stage they wish. They could even make money by offering realm transfers (of course only allowing upwards movement. Vanilla -> BC but not the other way for example). So then, would it only last a few years? Even if it did so what? There would be a constant interest from current and new players as to how the game used to be. So I doubt they'd ever be truly empty.

I don't think they will do that, because I think as was hinted at in an earlier post. They want this to fail. They want to give Pristine servers, want them to fail and then say "Oh well, we knew this would happen" and never speak of it again. So, yeah my earlier post WAS just conjecture and it's probably the best we can hope for that they will either look away while Nostalrius (or another server that might mysteriously appear) operates, or they will license them. It's what I think might maybe, just possibly happen now. Since they've pretty much rules themselves out of offering anything close to what people actually want.