PVP Server Population

[Celonius]

People complaining about ganking in a PvP server. The best is that Nostalrius offers a PvE server where that situations not happens...

And the best is all the racists who are yelling about to ban people only because they are from China.

Shame.

At least, everything goes in the same way. There will be always people who always will complain about everything, even that thing goes well, like Nostalrius PvP server. Hope than devs know that, sadly, that kind of people exist and spam the forum about their absurd complains.

[Celonius]

First of all, sorry for double-posting, but I have to answer the OP of this thread that was, wisely, closed: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=33126

The OP said:

First off, the PvE server has been spectacular since I've started playing on Nostalrius (no lag, friendly players, feels just like old times)! So, thank you to the people that make all of this possible for free!!

Has anyone heard if there are plans to open a new PvP server anytime soon? I am trying to level a character on both PvE and PvP, and the PvP server is basically unplayable due to lag, even during odd hours. I would rather not waste my time leveling if they plan to open a new one anytime soon.

-Alligktor

Also:

Thanks for the info all. The fact there are so many posts about the same topic seem to indicate there is a major problem and that more and more people are playing! I am worried that optimizations either won't fix the issues, or will merely fix them temporarily.

Have they said if donations can be put directly towards opening new realms, or are they just completely off the table?

I'm tired about this minority who, by someone who told me, is acting in team-coop to open threads about their personal complains. Giving the ilusion that there are so many, but in real, they are not. My prove? If there were a majority who thinks that, the server pop will go down because they wont feel comfortable. But what is the reality? People keeps playing. Why? Because people likes how is going the server. I'm always asking when I play to everyone, and everyone always answer me the same: Yes, is awesome seeing so many people playing together.

There are NOT so many post about this topic, there are just a minority who started to open thread because there is something who they do not like, but does not mean that the majority will be agree with them. People who likes how things are going are not coming to forums to yell, they just play, like we can see everyday.

People are happy about how PvP server is going, and the prove is not some post of the forums, no: The prove is that the population is icnreasing and keeping high. If people like the PvP server they play it, if not, they would have changed to other server.
It is true that there are some lag issues, not big issues in my opinion, but it seems that devs knows what to do: They want keep the high population, and they are improving the server in order to hold 10k players or little more.

As I said before, one of the reasons because I'm here is because this server is huge. I like the feeling of seeing a huge world populated, like in the good old times. Seeing and socializing with people in every place, and I do not want to loose that. I do not want that the devs open more and more server, and then the population will be divided and will be fragment. I do not want walking alone and seeing few player, I do not want play and authistic MMORPG. For that, I can play a single RPG, there are tons of them.

I want this huge server with 8k-10k people online everyday, and I have no problem to give donations if it helps to the devs to improve the server.

So please devs, believe us, the majority likes how is going the things, the majority wants that, this high populated server, and we have the patience of waiting until you improve the server. The prove is that, the number: The poeple keeps playing, and if they do is because they feel comfortable. As simple as that. Do not believe this minority. Is not the first time than minority are just that, minority who yells a lot.

And to the OP, if you wanna server with less population and less lag, you can go to another like Kronos. Just go, play and let us play and let us the server like it is right know.

So please devs, what you have acomplished right now is awesome: A vanilla huge server, how give us the feeling of the old and golden days of WoW. Do not break it just because some minority is yelling. Belive me, the majority likes how is going the things. You just have to see the numbers and the stats.

[MasterQuaster]

Just my 50 Cents but I would love if they start a second PvP Server! At the moment I play on the PvE Server due to unplayable PvP Realm. But actually I prefer to play on PvP Realms. I hardly miss the world PvP

Well 8-10k players is absolutely too much! That's 5k+ to retails peak times on their servers. It's nearly impossible too skill your professions as lowie.

New PvP Realm would be awesome because player number per realm is getting lower and laggs are getting lower.

I mean... in long term the population will rise more and more... New players gonna play on the new PvP realm if they just have the possibilitie.

[itwasfree]

I'm tired about this minority who, by someone who told me, is acting in team-coop to open threads about their personal complains. Giving the ilusion that there are so many, but in real, they are not. My prove? If there were a majority who thinks that, the server pop will go down because they wont feel comfortable. But what is the reality? People keeps playing. Why? Because people likes how is going the server. I'm always asking when I play to everyone, and everyone always answer me the same: Yes, is awesome seeing so many people playing together.

I have an enormous problem with Nost's PvP server population. It severely impedes my ability to relive Vanilla in a blizzlike manner. However, no open world PvP (Nost's PvE server) or low pop (Kronos) impede my enjoyment even more. THAT is why we stay. That and we're addicted.

Just because Nost's PvP server grows every day does not mean that everything they do is right. Easiest example: Bugs. Let me mirror your argument with bugs.
"Everyone keeps posting about bugs on the forums. But these players are a minority. Most of us love bugs. My proof? The server pop grows every day! If people didn't like bugs, they wouldn't play!"

Let's do it again with server lag
"Everyone keeps posting about lag on the forums. But these players are a minority. Most of us love lag. My proof? The server pop grows every day! If people didn't like lag, they wouldn't play!"


I'm going to assume you get it by this point. Just because the population grows, does not mean those players can't simultaneously have major gripes. Just because you like the massive, non-blizzlike server population does not mean everyone else has to. There are many people on both sides, it's insulting to act like the other side doesn't exist or that their point is invalid simply because you don't share their perspective.

No if only I could convince around 2K+ of those people to come to the dead/empty "other" Vanilla PvP server, maybe everyone could win.

[Ripinpeace]

The PvP server has too much big business for the service industry (gold/powerleveling/rank selling) for the Chinese to leave willingly. Sitting at a LAN party is more fun than working for Apple and their suicide factory.

[Celonius]

I'm tired about this minority who, by someone who told me, is acting in team-coop to open threads about their personal complains. Giving the ilusion that there are so many, but in real, they are not. My prove? If there were a majority who thinks that, the server pop will go down because they wont feel comfortable. But what is the reality? People keeps playing. Why? Because people likes how is going the server. I'm always asking when I play to everyone, and everyone always answer me the same: Yes, is awesome seeing so many people playing together.

I have an enormous problem with Nost's PvP server population. It severely impedes my ability to relive Vanilla in a blizzlike manner. However, no open world PvP (Nost's PvE server) or low pop (Kronos) impede my enjoyment even more. THAT is why we stay. That and we're addicted.

Just because Nost's PvP server grows every day does not mean that everything they do is right. Easiest example: Bugs. Let me mirror your argument with bugs.
"Everyone keeps posting about bugs on the forums. But these players are a minority. Most of us love bugs. My proof? The server pop grows every day! If people didn't like bugs, they wouldn't play!"

Let's do it again with server lag
"Everyone keeps posting about lag on the forums. But these players are a minority. Most of us love lag. My proof? The server pop grows every day! If people didn't like lag, they wouldn't play!"


I'm going to assume you get it by this point. Just because the population grows, does not mean those players can't simultaneously have major gripes. Just because you like the massive, non-blizzlike server population does not mean everyone else has to. There are many people on both sides, it's insulting to act like the other side doesn't exist or that their point is invalid simply because you don't share their perspective.

No if only I could convince around 2K+ of those people to come to the dead/empty "other" Vanilla PvP server, maybe everyone could win.

Is simple, if you do not like too much people you can go to kronos. The point is, having high pop is not a problem, is just a feature. Maybe you do not like, but do not say that things you do not like are problem. When they fix the lag issues it will be a big server with les lag. I can u derstand you prefer one thing over another, but do not pretend that you are the only one who plays. In the server now there are a lot of people who likes that, they do not go to forum to says that because forums is place for negativy, the place where people go with their complains.

And my argument is valid, if there was a big issues, there will be more and more threads and of course the pop kwill go down and they will go to the pve server or kronos. But they keep here. Why? Because we like it.

So stop complaining and pretending you are special, devs are going well and Ithink they do not want to open more and more pvp servers. They are proud about 10k players online and they are working on fixing the serrver in order to hold this amount of players.

[Ana]

Is simple, if you do not like too much people you can go to kronos.

If you don't like people complaining about things they want changed you can go to kronos.

The point is, having high pop is not a problem

That's like, your opinion, you know?

[Imbaslap]

I heard rebirth has 5 people on it with AQ war effort out.
someone should go snipe server first there with 0 people

[Celonius]

Is simple, if you do not like too much people you can go to kronos.

If you don't like people complaining about things they want changed you can go to kronos.

The point is, having high pop is not a problem

That's like, your opinion, you know?

I like that people in forum express their opinion, but what I do not like is the spam thread about the same issue, even an admin has closed one of them.

Is curious how you say thats my opinion, but when the OP said that this is a fact you do not asnwer him with the same argument.
And is not my opinion, is a fact. Its simple: If there were a problem there will be more and more threads and created by differents persons. Also, the pop will go down. In all the MMORPG the dynamic is the same: When something is wrong, people leave. Thats why people are coming to this server, because WoW official sucks.

Anyway, I want to point than the normal population is between 6k and 10k. Yeah, It can reach 12k-13k, but only in a few hours. I think that, this isnt too much as you said. Is simple, you are over-reacting and yelling about this, is what it does all the minorities.

Meanwhile in Nostalrius PvP server, people play and have fun, not coming to the forums, because as I said, always, always and always, forums is place for negativity. For me, is a bias factor that can not be taken so relevant.

[itwasfree]

I'm tired about this minority who, by someone who told me, is acting in team-coop to open threads about their personal complains. Giving the ilusion that there are so many, but in real, they are not. My prove? If there were a majority who thinks that, the server pop will go down because they wont feel comfortable. But what is the reality? People keeps playing. Why? Because people likes how is going the server. I'm always asking when I play to everyone, and everyone always answer me the same: Yes, is awesome seeing so many people playing together.

I have an enormous problem with Nost's PvP server population. It severely impedes my ability to relive Vanilla in a blizzlike manner. However, no open world PvP (Nost's PvE server) or low pop (Kronos) impede my enjoyment even more. THAT is why we stay. That and we're addicted.

Just because Nost's PvP server grows every day does not mean that everything they do is right. Easiest example: Bugs. Let me mirror your argument with bugs.
"Everyone keeps posting about bugs on the forums. But these players are a minority. Most of us love bugs. My proof? The server pop grows every day! If people didn't like bugs, they wouldn't play!"

Let's do it again with server lag
"Everyone keeps posting about lag on the forums. But these players are a minority. Most of us love lag. My proof? The server pop grows every day! If people didn't like lag, they wouldn't play!"


I'm going to assume you get it by this point. Just because the population grows, does not mean those players can't simultaneously have major gripes. Just because you like the massive, non-blizzlike server population does not mean everyone else has to. There are many people on both sides, it's insulting to act like the other side doesn't exist or that their point is invalid simply because you don't share their perspective.

No if only I could convince around 2K+ of those people to come to the dead/empty "other" Vanilla PvP server, maybe everyone could win.

Is simple, if you do not like too much people you can go to kronos. The point is, having high pop is not a problem, is just a feature. Maybe you do not like, but do not say that things you do not like are problem. When they fix the lag issues it will be a big server with les lag. I can u derstand you prefer one thing over another, but do not pretend that you are the only one who plays. In the server now there are a lot of people who likes that, they do not go to forum to says that because forums is place for negativy, the place where people go with their complains.

And my argument is valid, if there was a big issues, there will be more and more threads and of course the pop kwill go down and they will go to the pve server or kronos. But they keep here. Why? Because we like it.

So stop complaining and pretending you are special, devs are going well and Ithink they do not want to open more and more pvp servers. They are proud about 10k players online and they are working on fixing the serrver in order to hold this amount of players.

Woosh.

I think this is a language barrier thing. Your English is great for a second language mate, but it's still got major gaps or you're just not reading what I said.

So let's go over the options you've offered as alternatives and reasons not to complain:
Kronos - With a population under 1K, it's simply not a viable alternative. It's a worse option than 10k+ overcrowded server.
Nost PvE - PvE ruleset is not a viable alternative. It's a worse option than 10k+ overcrowded server.

Just because Nost is the prettiest girl at the trailertrash ball, doesn't make her an ugly, bucktoothed bitch.
The population doesn't go down because Vanilla WoW is a fantastic, addictive game and Nost PvP is simply the best option for players who want a population over 1k and a PvP ruleset. That the population doesn't fall is not evidence that everything is great. Like I said, the server has grown with lag/bugs, doesn't mean those aren't problems to be fixed.

I understand that you like the population. I understand that you know other people that like the population. I don't and I know others that don't. There are lots of people on both sides, as evidenced by these forums. However, it's not valid to say that people only come to the forums to express negativity. I engage on forums because I enjoy engaging in the communities of games I play, both for good and bad things.

To say that the people who are upset about the population don't have a reason to complain or that they can simply go to the Nost PvE server or Kronos, is dismissive and short-sighted.
[But god do I wish we'd all just go to Kronos.]